Understanding Boiling Point Elevation: Real Gas Law and Its Impact on Molecules

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the relationship between boiling point elevation and the properties of real gases, particularly in the context of the ideal gas law and its modifications. Participants explore how molecular size and interactions may influence boiling point elevation, especially in solutions and under varying conditions of dilution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant discusses the ideal gas law and its modification to the real gas law, questioning the role of molecular volume in boiling point elevation.
  • Another participant notes that boiling point elevation is typically reported for infinite dilution, where solutions behave ideally, suggesting that this context is crucial for understanding the phenomenon.
  • A reference to the Flory-Huggins theory is made, indicating that for macromolecules, the effects on boiling point elevation become significant.
  • A later reply expresses appreciation for the introduction of the Flory-Huggins theory, indicating a positive reception to the theoretical framework presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the factors influencing boiling point elevation, particularly regarding the significance of molecular size and the conditions under which boiling point elevation is considered. There is no consensus on the implications of these factors.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions of ideal behavior in solutions and the specific conditions under which boiling point elevation is analyzed, particularly concerning macromolecules.

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So was thinking a little bit about the ideal gas law.
##P V = n R T##
And I read an article about the real gas law where they just edited few properties.
##(P + \frac{n^2 a}{v^2}) (V - nb) = n R T ##
Where a and b are constant determined experimentally.

So going back to our original point, Why doesn't the boiling point elevation have something related to the volume of the molecules or atoms?

And we know that the boiling point increases because of how the molecules prevent some of the liquid atoms to change into vapor state which reduces the vapor pressure in result increasing the boiling point.

So if we believe that this is what actually happen then bigger molecules/atoms will prevent more of the liquid atoms to change into vapor state which increases the boiling point.

What is happening here?

P.s I know that colligative properties only depend on how many solute particles.
 
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DrDu said:
These effects exist but the boiling point increase is usually reported for infinite dilution where solutions behave ideally.
But for macromolecules, these effects become very important, cf. the Flory Huggins theory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flory–Huggins_solution_theory
Oh that is actually great. Didn't know that there is a theory already there. Thank you!
 
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