Understanding Bragg's Law: The Relationship Between Wavelength & Atomic Order

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The discussion revolves around Bragg's Law, specifically the relationship between the wavelength of light (or particles) and the atomic separations in solids. Participants explore the concepts of diffraction, atomic lattice spacing, and the implications of these relationships in both classical and quantum contexts.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Steve seeks clarification on the relationship between wavelength and atomic separations in solids as mentioned by his teacher.
  • Some participants clarify that "order" in Bragg's Law typically refers to the integer 'n' in the equation nλ = 2d sin θ, which relates to diffraction rather than the solid's properties.
  • There is a suggestion that the term "solid's order of separations" may be a miscommunication or translation issue.
  • Participants discuss the significance of the spacing 'd' in the equation and its relationship to the wavelength λ and diffraction angle θ.
  • One participant notes that the mathematics of electron diffraction parallels that of classical electromagnetic waves, indicating a broader application of Bragg's Law.
  • There is an acknowledgment that the characteristics of diffraction depend on the ratio of wavelength to the size of atomic spacings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and relationships involved in Bragg's Law, but there is some confusion regarding terminology and the interpretation of "order of separations." The discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the clarity of the initial phrasing used by the teacher.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of terms used, particularly "solid's order of separations," which may depend on specific definitions or contexts not fully articulated in the discussion.

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Hello,

My teacher was talking about Bragg's law and mentioned how there was a relationship between the wavelength of light and a solid's order of separations.

I'm still confused about this, actually. Can someone please help me clear up what he said? What is the order of separations in a solid, and how does this relate to a particle's wavelength?

I do know that de Broglie's equation relates a particle's wavelength, a solid's atomic lattice spacing, the order, and the resulting diffraction angle. I'm just having trouble putting this all together.

I emailed them but I wanted to see if this community could generate a better response for me to digest.

Much thanks,
Steve
 
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MintyPanda said:
a solid's order of separations

Usually, when we say "order" in connection with Bragg diffraction, we mean the number 'n' in the equation nλ = 2d sin θ. Is that what you are referring to here? However, I've never seen it called the "solid's order of separations", so I'm wondering whether you're referring to something else, or you simply mis-heard something, or it's a garbled translation from some other language into English (we get a lot of that around here).
 
jtbell said:
Usually, when we say "order" in connection with Bragg diffraction, we mean the number 'n' in the equation nλ = 2d sin θ. Is that what you are referring to here?

Thanks for the quick reply. Yes, I believe that is what he was referring to in this case, considering we just talked about said equation last class! He gave us work sheets that said "... on the order of the separations between the atoms in a solid". Hope this cleared up any confusion I may have posted earlier!
 
That n has nothing to do with the solid itself (or rather its crystal structure). That's why your instructor's phrase confused me. It is a property of the interference (diffraction) process itself that you get diffracted beams at multiple angles (for the same crystal), corresponding to different values of n.
 
Ah, so maybe he was referring to the spacing between lattices represented by "d" in this equation?

Which means there can be a relationship between a particle's wavelength and the spacing, correct?

Please take my sincere apologies, as this is all new material to me...I would just like to make sure I understand this concept!
 
MintyPanda said:
Which means there can be a relationship between a particle's wavelength and the spacing, correct?

If you know the atomic-plane spacing in the crystal, d, and you measure the diffraction angle θ, then you can calculate some possible values for the wavelength λ, for various values of n. Is that what you're trying to get at?
 
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Yep! I guess ultimately, if you can explain this conceptually, why is there a relationship between a particle's wavelength and the atomic-place spacing in the crystal? Is this where electron diffraction comes into play?
 
The mathematics of electron diffraction is the same as with classical electromagnetic waves. The theory of Bragg diffraction originated in the study of X rays, in fact, treating them as electromagnetic radiation without reference to photons, I think. In general, with diffraction, the characteristics of the diffraction depend on the ratio between the wavelength and the size of the slits or spacing of crystal planes or whatever. See the treatment of diffraction in any decent optics book.
 
Fantastic! Thank you jtbell for your help and for pointing me in the right direction for further research. As a student I definitely appreciate it!Minty
 

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