Understanding Cardano's method of solving Cubic equation

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The discussion focuses on understanding Cardano's method for solving cubic equations, exploring the transformations and substitutions involved in the process. Participants examine the implications of these substitutions, the nature of the solutions, and the relationships between coefficients in different representations of cubic equations.

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  • One participant describes their understanding of Cardano's method, noting the use of substitutions to simplify the cubic equation to a specific form and questioning the number of distinct solutions.
  • Another participant clarifies that in the complex numbers, the equation z^3 = y has three distinct solutions, leading to a maximum of six solutions for z, but only three of these may be relevant.
  • There is a discussion about the definitions of v and v1, with one participant suggesting that v1 = -b/v is a statement about solutions to the equations discussed.
  • A participant presents a derivation of Cardano's method, detailing how to express a cubic equation in terms of its roots and the relationships between the coefficients m and n.
  • Another participant references a classic text by Euler, suggesting it contains similar explanations and examples related to the topic.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the transformations and the nature of the solutions. There is no consensus on the equivalence of coefficients in different representations of cubic equations, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the substitutions and the number of distinct solutions.

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Participants note potential discrepancies in the coefficients used in different equations and the implications of these differences on the solutions derived from Cardano's method. The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of complex roots and their relevance to the final solutions.

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Dear All,
I am trying to understanding Cardano's method to solve the cubic equation. Please first see the reference text that is attached (Alan F. Beardon, Algebra and Geometry).

My rough understanding is that we make 2 substitutions (## P1(z - a/3)## and ##P(z - b/z) ## ) to simplify the cubic equation to the from (## z^6 -cz^3 - b^3 = 0 ##) so that we can make a further substitution (## y = z^3##). This results in a quadratic equation which can be solved to get two solutions y1 and y2.

## z^3 = y1## or ##y2 ## say y1 and y2 are 8 and -8 then this results in only two solutions right 2 and -2. Without forgetting that we need to do 2 Reverse substitutions to get the final solution. Why does the book say 6 solutions for z and only 3 are distinct?

In the paragraph below from the text.
" However, the values of ζ are the
roots of the equation ## z^6 − cz^3 − b^3 = 0## , and if v is a root of this equation,
then so (trivially) is v1 = −b/v. As v1 − b/v1 = v − b/v, we see that these six
values of ζ can only provide at most three distinct roots of p. "

what is v and v1. why is v1 = -b/v (The substitution was ##P(z - b/z) ## ) ??

I think the coefficients, a, b & c from the equation 3.6.1 and the equation below 3.6.1 in the text are NOT the same as the original cubic equation (## z^3 + az^2 + bz + c = 0 ##). I cross-referenced equation 3.6.1 with equation 12 from http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CubicFormula.html. I don't think the coefficients are the same. Are they??

Danke...
 

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PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
z3=y1ory2 z^3 = y1 or y2 say y1 and y2 are 8 and -8 then this results in only two solutions right 2 and -2. Without forgetting that we need to do 2 Reverse substitutions to get the final solution. Why does the book say 6 solutions for z and only 3 are distinct?
In the complex numbers, z^3 = y always has three distinct solutions (let's ignore the case y=0). Therefore, you get up to 6 solutions. At most 3 are relevant for the final solutions.

PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
what is v and v1.
Solutions to the equations discussed above.
PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
why is v1 = -b/v
Definition. It is like a statement "if n is an integer, then m=n+1 is an integer": "if v is a solution, then v1=-b/v is a solution" (check this!).

b and c are not the original b and c, right.
 
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Here is my understanding of Cardano's method: If a and b are any numbers then (a+ b)^3= a^3+ 3a^2b+ 3ab^2+ b^3 and 3ab(a+ b)= 3a^2b+ 3ab^2. Subtracting, (a+ b)^3- 3ab(a+ b)= a^3+ b^3.

Letting x= a+ b, m= 3ab, and n= a^3+ b^3 then x satisfies the reduced cubic x^3+ mx= n ("reduced" because it has no squared term). Now, what about the other way around? That is, if we know m and n, can we find a and b and so x?

Yes, we can. From m= 3ab, we have b= \frac{m}{3a} so that
n= a^3+ b^3= a^3+ \frac{m^3}{3^3a^3}
Multiply by a^3: na^3= (a^3)^2+ \left(\frac{m}{3}\right)^3 or (a^3)^2- na^3+ \left(\frac{m}{3}\right)^3= 0.

We can think of that as a quadratic equation in a^3 and, by the quadratic formula
a^3= \frac{n\pm\sqrt{n^2- 4\left(\frac{m}{3}\right)^3}}{2}= \frac{n}{2}\pm\sqrt{\left(\frac{n}{2}\right)^2- \left(\frac{m}{3}\right)^2}
From a^3+ b^3= n
b^3= n- a^3= n- \frac{n}{2}\pm\sqrt{\left(\frac{n}{2}\right)^2- \left(\frac{m}{3}\right)^2}=\frac{n}{2}\mp\sqrt{\left(\frac{n}{2}\right)^2- \left(\frac{m}{3}\right)^2}

Take cube roots to find a and b and then x= a+ b. There are, of course, three cube roots for each so 9 possible combinations but some add to give the same x.
 
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Halls' nice explanation is similar to that in the classic text of Euler, pages 262-271, where you may also find several worked examples and some problems. On page 272 ff. he also explains the more complicated case of a quartic.

https://archive.org/details/elementsofalgebr00eule
 
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