Understanding Center of Mass: Properties & Physically Representing

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the center of mass, its properties, and its physical representation in various systems. Participants explore the implications of the center of mass in relation to external forces and motion, particularly in the context of objects like boxes and celestial bodies.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants express uncertainty about the physical meaning of the center of mass and its properties. Questions arise regarding its representation as an abstract point versus a physical location within an object. Some discuss the implications of forces acting on the center of mass and how this relates to inertia and motion.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights and clarifications about the center of mass. Some have provided examples, such as the motion of the moon and Earth, to illustrate the concept. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and implications of the center of mass in various scenarios.

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Participants are grappling with the abstract nature of the center of mass and its practical implications in real-world situations. There is a recognition that not all forces act through the center of mass, leading to discussions about inertia and rotational effects.

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I don't feel I have a good understanding of what the center of mass of an object it, and what its properties are. I know it's the position of all mass elements weighted by their mass and divided by the total mass.
I have learned that the center of mass moves as if it was only subject to external forces. So say you pushed on a box of mass m with a certain force F, then the center of mass of that box should move with an acceleration given by F/m. But since the whole box moves with the same acceleration what is then the so special about this specific point?
I also have trouble finding out what exactly the center of mass represents physically. Say it is in the middle of the box, is the center of mass then the point particle situated in the midst of the box or is it a more abstract point?
 
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I don't feel I have a good understanding of what the center of mass of an object it, and what its properties are. I know it's the position of all mass elements weighted by their mass and divided by the total mass.
I have learned that the center of mass moves as if it was only subject to external forces. So say you pushed on a box of mass m with a certain force F, then the center of mass of that box should move with an acceleration given by F/m. But since the whole box moves with the same acceleration what is then the so special about this specific point?
I also have trouble finding out what exactly the center of mass represents physically. Say it is in the middle of the box, is the center of mass then the point particle situated in the midst of the box or is it a more abstract point?

The center of mass is just an abstract point in space, representing the "average location" of the mass of the system. There doesn't actually have to be anything there (eg. a donut - the center of mass is in the hole).

Note that all bits of the system don't have to move together. For example, if a firework explodes in mid-trajectory then its center of mass continues to follow the old trajectory (since no external force has acted on it), even though none of the constituent bits do.
 
The centre of mass is a unique point in a system, almost an average of all the bits of the mass in the system and their distance from the centre of mass. Any forces or torques acting on the system, like gravity, can be thought to act on the centre of mass. For something like a square uniform box, the centre of mass being within the body of the box might seem a bit obvious, and might not seem to make the problem any easier. However if you think about a system like the moon and the Earth for example, the moon is not really rotating about the Earth, they are both rotating around their combined centre of mass. For this system the centre of mass is within the body of the Earth, but in a different system it might be somewhere in the middle of the two. Here's a page about it. http://astro.unl.edu/naap/esp/centerofmass.html

Does that help?
 
If you accelerate an object it will try to resist as it has inertia. The reaction force is distributed throughout the mass but for most problems it can be considered to act at the center of mass.

If the force you applied to cause the acceleration doesn't act through the centre of mass a couple exists that will try to rotate the object.
 
But since the whole box moves with the same acceleration...

Not allways true. Ever ridden standing up on a bus? As it accelerates/brakes there is a tendency for you to fall over because the force acting to accelerate you acts on your feet and not through your centre of mas.
 

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