Understanding Circular Motion and Centripetal Force

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of circular motion and centripetal force, particularly in the context of banking on curved surfaces and the role of friction. Participants are exploring how these forces interact and affect motion at various speeds.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster proposes that banking aids motion at maximum speed and questions the role of side friction and centripetal force. They also inquire about the conditions under which a car experiences no sideways frictional force on a straight road, suggesting a relationship between speed and motion type.
  • Some participants discuss the nature of circular motion, emphasizing the importance of static friction and normal force in maintaining circular paths, particularly as track banking increases.
  • Others suggest that understanding Newton's laws and the necessity of centripetal force is crucial for grasping these concepts.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the mechanics of circular motion and the forces involved. While some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between forces, there is no explicit consensus on the original poster's questions, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

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Participants are navigating complex concepts related to circular motion, including the effects of banking and friction, while also addressing the implications of speed on motion types. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further understanding and clarification of these principles.

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Can anyone explain the above concept in a concise manner? I am proposing that banking aids motion at maximum speed on a curved surface. I am not totally sure how to include the role of side friction and centripetal force. Any further suggestions would be appreciated.

Another question relates to why at a certain speed a car experiences no sideways frictional force in a plane parrallel to the road surface. I am proposing that sideways friction induces circular motion in a car on a straight road. Since the plane is parallel to the road surface, the motion has to be linear. I am not sure how it relates to a certain speed.
Any suggestions? Thanks!

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No matter which way you look at it, it is circular motion. On a flat track, the radial component keeping the car going in a circle is the static friction force between the tire and the road (which is perpendicular/radial, not tangental to motion). As the banking of the track increases, the static frictional force still exists but decreases as the angle increases, and inversely, a normal force is introduced by the inward "contact" of the track. If the banking were completely vertical, there would be no more static friction force, and it would be 100% normal force. The circular motion formulas apply to all of these scenarios. The key thing to remember is that the centripetal force is equal to the sum of the radial components of all forces acting on the car.

I should add that the static friction force is limited by the coefficient of static friction, while the normal force is not, so long as the surface that's applying the normal force maintains it's structural integrity, therefore, the higher the angle of the banking, the faster you can go.
 
BTW, I've noticed you have posted lots of your circular motion problems looking for help. You should try and work them yourself and compare the answer to the book. If you got it wrong, it's important to your education to keep trying until you find out what you've done wrong. The explanation I've given for the two I've replied to is sufficient to answer all of these types of problems if you remember the part of centripetal force equaling the sum of the radial component of all forces, regardless of whether the forces are static friction forces (flat race track), normal forces (vertical banking, or ferris wheel), tension forces (swinging a string or a pendulum), or gravitational forces (orbit).
 
Remember Newton's first law. F=ma
If you want to accelerate a body, then forcenet should be applied.
And remember in a circular motion, the body is changing its direction where speed may be constant or changing, then the body is accelerating towards its center of the circle.

We have to supply this centripetal force. By string, gravity, friction or other means that supply the force.
 
azizlwl said:
Remember Newton's first law. F=ma
If you want to accelerate a body, then forcenet should be applied.
And remember in a circular motion, the body is changing its direction where speed may be constant or changing, then the body is accelerating towards its center of the circle.

We have to supply this centripetal force. By string, gravity, friction or other means that supply the force.

Thanks a lot. It did become an albatross. But I am slowly conquering my demons.
 

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