Understanding commutator relations

In summary, the classical-to-quantum transition involves replacing Poisson brackets with commutators, as first realized by Dirac. This is necessary for the correct classical limit to be achieved. The commonly used operators for canonical variables were discovered by Schroedinger in 1926 and the value of ##\hbar## is just a matter of choice in units.
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I am reading through a quantum optics book where they are deriving the equations for a quantized EM field and one of the paragraphs state:

"In Section 6.1, the problem has been set in the Hamiltonian form by expressing the total energy (6.55) of the system comprising charges and electromagnetic field in terms of the pairs of conjugate canonical variables ##(r_\mu, p_\mu)## and ##(Q_l, P_l)##. Canonical quantization consists in replacing these pairs of canonical variables by pairs of Hermitian operators with commutators set equal to ##i\hbar##."

Now I understand using the operators ## \hat{x} = x## and ##\hat{p_x} = -i\hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x} ## that the commutator is ##i\hbar## but what necessitates all canonical variables requiring this as the result of their commutator? I guess I'm just missing something fairly fundamental here; namely on how these operators were established in the first place (i.e. why does momentum involve a derivative and position simply a scalar multiplication) and the intuition/meaning behind a commutator value of precisely ##i\hbar##.
 
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Classical to quantum involves replacing Poisson brackets in classical mechanics by commutators in quantum mechanics, as first realized by Dirac (I think this is more like a postulate than something that can be proved). Then, the Poisson bracket of canonically conjugate variables (Cartesian position and momentum is just one example of such a pair) in classical mechanics gives the desired quantum result.
 
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You can as well use the operators ##\hat x= i\hbar \partial_p## and ##\hat p = p##, which gives the momentum representation. There are still other representations that one can use, although these are the two most common. The point is not the particular representation but that the canonical commutation relations are satisfied. This is needed to get the correct classical limit, where the scaled commutator turns into the Poisson bracket. To understand canonical variables you need to be familiar with Poisson brackets.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
You can as well use the operators ##\hat x= i\hbar \partial_p## and ##\hat p = p##, which gives the momentum representation. There are still other representations that one can use, although these are the two most common. The point is not the particular representation but that the canonical commutation relations are satisfied. This is needed to get the correct classical limit, where the scaled commutator turns into the Poisson bracket. To understand canonical variables you need to be familiar with Poisson brackets.

George Jones said:
Classical to quantum involves replacing Poisson brackets in classical mechanics by commutators in quantum mechanics, as first realized by Dirac (I think this is more like a postulate than something that can be proved). Then, the Poisson bracket of canonically conjugate variables (Cartesian position and momentum is just one example of such a pair) in classical mechanics gives the desired quantum result.

I've gone through these notes and they clear up a lot. Although when looking at equation 5.103, there is no justification for ## g = i\hbar ## (i.e. why ##\hbar = 1.054 \times 10^{-34}## is correct) and I guess I've just never come across one. Furthermore, by using 5.105, I am still not quite seeing how the commonly used operators for ##x## and ##p_x## were derived and how this generalizes for all canonical variables.
 
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TheCanadian said:
how the commonly used operators for x and p_x were derived
This was the discovery of Schroedinger 1926, for which he go the Nobel prize. Heisenberg had found the commutation relations the year before (using infinite matrices), and Schroedinger then realized them through differential operators. One can only discover them, and then deriving the CCR from them to check that they do the right thing.
 
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The value ##\hbar## takes is just by our choice of arbitrary units, called the SI units. It's much more "natural" to use units, where all universal conversion factors like ##\hbar## (modified Planck's quantum of action), ##c## (limiting speed of relativity aka speed of light in vacuo) are set to 1. Then you have only one arbitrary unit left, which in microscopic physics is chosen as eV (or GeV) or fm. If you also set Newton's gravitational constant to 1 you don't need any units anymore, and everything is expressed in dimensionless quantities (Planck units).
 
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1. What are commutator relations?

Commutator relations are mathematical relationships between two operators that describe how they behave when they are applied in different orders. They are used to understand the properties and behavior of physical systems in quantum mechanics.

2. Why are commutator relations important in science?

Commutator relations are important because they help us understand the fundamental principles of quantum mechanics, such as uncertainty and superposition. They also allow us to make predictions about the behavior of physical systems and develop new technologies, such as quantum computers.

3. How are commutator relations calculated?

Commutator relations are calculated using the commutator operator, which is defined as the difference between the product of two operators and the product of the same operators in reverse order. This operator is represented by square brackets, [A,B], where A and B are the two operators being studied.

4. What are some examples of commutator relations?

Some examples of commutator relations include the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which describes the relationship between the position and momentum operators, and the angular momentum commutator, which describes the relationship between the components of angular momentum in quantum systems.

5. How do commutator relations differ from classical mechanics?

Commutator relations are a fundamental aspect of quantum mechanics and are not found in classical mechanics. In classical mechanics, the order in which operators are applied does not affect the outcome, whereas in quantum mechanics, the order does matter and is described by commutator relations. This is one of the key differences between the two theories.

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