Understanding Complex Func., Laplace Transforms & Cauchy Riemann

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The discussion revolves around understanding complex functions, specifically in the context of Laplace transforms and the Cauchy-Riemann equations, as part of control theory. Participants seek clarification on specific equations and the conditions under which certain functions are analytic.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how a particular equation (Equation 3) is derived from previous equations (Equation 1 and Equation 2) and requests an explanation.
  • Another participant provides a detailed mathematical derivation involving partial derivatives and complex functions, concluding that the function G is not analytic at s = -1 due to it being undefined at that point, indicating the presence of a pole.
  • A participant acknowledges understanding the simplification process but questions the mathematical background necessary to perform such simplifications, indicating a gap in their knowledge after a long absence from studying engineering mathematics.
  • Participants mention specific mathematical identities that are useful for simplification, such as the expansion of squares and the difference of squares.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the understanding of the derivation of Equation 3, as there is ongoing confusion and requests for clarification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to review necessary mathematical concepts.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made in the derivation of equations and the definitions of terms used, which may affect understanding. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with the mathematical concepts involved.

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I am reading a chapter on Complex Functions, Laplace Transforms & Cauchy Riemann (as part of Control theory)

And I don't understand how they arrive at a particular part.
[ I tried to type it out in tex, but it takes way too much time so uploaded a screenshot to flickr]

[PLAIN]http://www.flickr.com/photos/66943862@N06/6093176535/

Here is a http://www.flickr.com/photos/66943862@N06/6093176535/"

I understand how you get to Eqn1 & Eqn2.
But how does it add up to Equation3?

Can someone explain?

Also, I don't understand why it's not analytic at s = -1?
 
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Hi phiby! :smile:

\begin{eqnarray*}
\frac{\partial G_x}{\partial \sigma}+j\frac{\partial G_y}{\partial \sigma}
& = & \frac{\omega^2-(\sigma+1)^2+2j\omega(\sigma+1)}{[(\sigma+1)^2+\omega^2]^2}\\
& = & \frac{\omega^2+2j\omega(\sigma+1)+j^2(\sigma+1)^2}{[\omega^2-j^2(\sigma+1)^2]^2}\\
& = & \frac{[\omega+j(\sigma+1)]^2}{[(\omega-j(\sigma+1))(\omega+j(\sigma+1))]^2}\\
& = & \frac{1}{(\omega-j(\sigma+1))^2}\\
& = & \frac{1}{(-j)^2(\sigma+1+j\omega)^2}\\
& = & -\frac{1}{\sigma+j\omega+1}
\end{eqnarray*}

The function G is not analytic in -1 since it doesn't exist there. Indeed, G(-1) is undefined and is a pole. (so it's not even a removable singularity)
 
micromass said:
Hi phiby!
(snip solution)
Awesome. Thanks a lot. I got what you did (the simplification of the equation), but didn't get how you knew you had to do that to simplify the original stuff.

I studied a lot of engineering math 20 years ago & I am getting back to it after 20 years (almost did none of this in the 20 years). So it's taking me a little time to get this.

In the original page (my flickr link), I first didn't get how it was separated into Gx & Gy, so I went back & did a review of partial fractions & then it became simple.

So my question is - what part of math should I review to do what you did above?
 
phiby said:
Awesome. Thanks a lot. I got what you did (the simplification of the equation), but didn't get how you knew you had to do that to simplify the original stuff.

I studied a lot of engineering math 20 years ago & I am getting back to it after 20 years (almost did none of this in the 20 years). So it's taking me a little time to get this.

In the original page (my flickr link), I first didn't get how it was separated into Gx & Gy, so I went back & did a review of partial fractions & then it became simple.

So my question is - what part of math should I review to do what you did above?

Well, the things I used where the equations

(a+b)^2=a^2+2ab+b^2

and

(a+b)(a-b)=a^2-b^2

If you know these very well, then you can find the above solution.
 

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