Understanding Continuous Functions: Examining f'(7) Undefined

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of a function having an undefined derivative at a specific point, x = 7. Participants explore the relationship between continuity and the existence of derivatives, considering various examples and counterexamples.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if f'(7) is undefined, then f must be continuous at x = 7.
  • Others argue that it is possible for a function to be continuous at x = 7 while having an undefined derivative.
  • One participant suggests the function f(x) = |x - 7| as an example of a continuous function with an undefined derivative at x = 7.
  • Another participant questions whether a function can be both discontinuous and have an undefined derivative at x = 7, suggesting that such a function may not exist.
  • Participants discuss the function f(x) = 1/(x - 7) as an example of a function that is not continuous at x = 7, implying that there is not enough information to determine continuity based solely on the derivative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between continuity and the existence of derivatives. There is no consensus on whether f must be continuous at x = 7, and multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of an undefined derivative.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their examples and reasoning, particularly regarding the definitions of continuity and differentiability, and the specific conditions under which these concepts apply.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators in mathematics, particularly those interested in the concepts of continuity and differentiability in calculus.

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Suppose f is a function such that f'(7) is undefined. Which of the following statements is always true? (Give evidences that supports your answer, then explain how those evidences supports your answer)

a. f must be continuous at x = 7.
b. f is definitely not continuous at x = 7.
c. There is not enough information to determine whether or not f is continuous at x = 7.
 
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Can you think of a function f(x) where the derivative does not exist at x = 7 but is continuous there?

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
Can you think of a function f(x) where the derivative does not exist at x = 7 but is continuous there?

-Dan
No,
 
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How about f(x) = |x - 7|?

-Dan
 
Oh, so the answer is a. f must be continuous at x=7?​
 
bearn said:
Oh, so the answer is a. f must be continuous at x=7?​
Can you think of a function f(x) that has no derivative at x = 7 and is not continuous there?

-Dan
 
I don't think there is
 
bearn said:
I don't think there is
What about [math]f(x) = \dfrac{1}{x - 7}[/math]?

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
What about [math]f(x) = \dfrac{1}{x - 7}[/math]?

-Dan
The answer should be C. then
 
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bearn said:
The answer should be C. then
Yes.

-Dan
 

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