Continuity of a function implies its existence in the neighbourhood?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a function being continuous at a point, specifically whether continuity at a point implies the function is defined in an open neighborhood around that point. Participants explore the definitions and conditions surrounding continuity, particularly in the context of limits and the domain of functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that if a function ##f(x)## is continuous at ##x=c##, then it must be defined in a neighborhood around ##c## to satisfy the limit definition of continuity.
  • Others question the necessity of the function being defined in the neighborhood, suggesting that undefined values do not contribute to the limit evaluation.
  • A participant points out that the definition of continuity requires consideration only of points within the function's domain, implying that undefined points should not be included in limit evaluations.
  • Examples are provided, such as the function ##f(x) = 1/x##, which is continuous on its domain but has a point of discontinuity at ##x=0##, illustrating that continuity is domain-dependent.
  • Another participant emphasizes that continuity must be evaluated only for values within the function's defined domain, reinforcing the idea that undefined points do not affect continuity assessments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether continuity at a point necessitates that the function be defined in a neighborhood around that point. No consensus is reached, as some argue for the necessity while others challenge that notion.

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Participants highlight the importance of the domain in discussions of continuity and limits, indicating that assumptions about the function's definition in certain regions are critical to the arguments presented.

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Suppose ##f(x)## is continuous at ##x=c##. Does this imply that ##f(x)## exists in an open neighbourhood of ##c##?

I believe it does. If ##f(x)## is continuous then ##\lim_{x\to c}f(x)## exists. But if ##f(x)## is undefined for some values of ##x## in the ##\delta##-neighbourhood of ##c##, then we cannot say ##|f(x) - L|<\epsilon## for ##0<|x-c|<\delta##, contradicting that ##\lim_{x\to c}f(x)## exists. So there must exist a ##\delta>0## such that ##f(x)## is defined for all values of ##x## in the ##\delta##-neighbourhood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(ε,_δ)-definition_of_limit
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If so, does this mean that it is enough to just say "suppose ##f(x)## is continuous in an open subset ##U## of ##\mathbb{R}##" instead of "suppose ##f(x)## exists and is continuous in an open subset ##U## of ##\mathbb{R}##"? (which is what is stated below)

http://calculus.subwiki.org/wiki/Clairaut's_theorem_on_equality_of_mixed_partials
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Happiness said:
But if ##f(x)## is undefined for some values of ##x## in the ##\delta##-neighbourhood of ##c##, then we cannot say ##|f(x) - L|<\epsilon## for ##0<|x-c|<\delta##
Why not?
 
mfb said:
Why not?

Suppose ##f(0.1)## is undefined. Then ##|f(0.1)-L|=|##undefined##-L|## and so it cannot be less than ##\epsilon##.
 
But you never want to consider that expression in the first place, because you evaluate eps/delta only for x-values where the function is defined.
 
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mfb said:
But you never want to consider that expression in the first place, because you evaluate eps/delta only for x-values where the function is defined.

Is

##|##undefined##-L|<\epsilon##

vacuously true?
 
No, the problem does not even come up. The equation has to be satisfied only for all x in the domain of the function which are closer than delta to the given point.
 
every function defined on a topological space that consists of a single point is continuous.
 
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Happiness said:
Suppose ##f(0.1)## is undefined. Then ##|f(0.1)-L|=|##undefined##-L|## and so it cannot be less than ##\epsilon##.

The definition of continuity includes the condition that ##x## be in the domain of the function. If you were to take a function defined on ##\mathbb{Q}## such that ##f(x) = 1## for all rationals, then that function (defined on the rationals) is continuous. You cannot consider hypothetical function values for points not in the domain.

Another good example is that ##f(x) = 1/x## is continuous on ##\mathbb{R}-\{0\}##. This is interesting as you will find references to the "discontinuity" of ##1/x## at ##x=0##. What that means technically is that you cannot extend ##1/x## to be a continuous function on ##\mathbb{R}##. But, technically, ##1/x## is a continuous function: there is no point (in its domain) at which it is discontinuous.
 
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As another example, if you consider f(x) as function over the real numbers and study the continuity at x=0, you don't even think about plugging in imaginary numbers for x. Why? Because those imaginary numbers are not part of the domain of the function.
 

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