Understanding De Rham's Period and Stokes Theorem

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The discussion revolves around the concept of De Rham's period and its relationship with Stokes' theorem, particularly focusing on the integration of closed one-forms over cycles in the context of differential geometry. Participants express confusion regarding the mathematical definitions and implications of these concepts, especially concerning the integration process and the requirements for applying one-forms to cycles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a one-form can be integrated over a cycle without a vector, suggesting that the cycle may not be a vector itself.
  • Another participant proposes that the integration involves evaluating the one-form on the tangent vectors to the cycle, describing it as a line integral.
  • A further contribution discusses the general case of integrating a p-form over a p-dimensional sub-manifold, providing a mathematical expression for this integration process.
  • One participant recommends a more thorough study of calculus of differential forms, suggesting that the paper's treatment may be insufficient for understanding the integration of one-forms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the integration of one-forms over cycles, with some seeking clarification on the necessity of vectors in this process. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the integration process or the implications for Stokes' theorem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in the paper's explanation of the integration of one-forms, suggesting that a deeper understanding of differential forms may be necessary to fully grasp the concepts discussed.

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Hello! I am reading this paper and on page 9 it defines the De Rham's period as ##\int_C \omega = <C,\omega>##, where C is a cycle and ##\omega## is a closed one form i.e. ##d\omega = 0##. The author says that ##<C,\omega>:\Omega^p(M) \times C_p(M) \to R##. I am a bit confused by this, as ##\omega## is an one-form so in order to give a real number it needs a vector, while here it receives a cycle, which I am not sure it is a vector. Does the author mean by this that you apply ##\omega## to the vector tangent at the cycle C on the manifold at each point and add up the values? Also he then uses this in association with Stokes theorem. However the ##\omega## appearing in the Stokes theorem is not necessary closed (##d\omega## is), so why can he still use the De Rham period there? Thank you!
 
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Silviu said:
Hello! I am reading this paper and on page 9 it defines the De Rham's period as ##\int_C \omega = <C,\omega>##, where C is a cycle and ##\omega## is a closed one form i.e. ##d\omega = 0##. The author says that ##<C,\omega>:\Omega^p(M) \times C_p(M) \to R##. I am a bit confused by this, as ##\omega## is an one-form so in order to give a real number it needs a vector, while here it receives a cycle, which I am not sure it is a vector. Does the author mean by this that you apply ##\omega## to the vector tangent at the cycle C on the manifold at each point and add up the values? Also he then uses this in association with Stokes theorem. However the ##\omega## appearing in the Stokes theorem is not necessary closed (##d\omega## is), so why can he still use the De Rham period there? Thank you!

He means to integrate the 1 form over the cycle.
 
lavinia said:
He means to integrate the 1 form over the cycle.
But how can you integrate a one form, without a vector? A one-form is a function, so in order to integrate it, you need to give it some values. Where does it takes the vectors from? Are the tangent vectors to the cycle?
 
Silviu said:
But how can you integrate a one form, without a vector? A one-form is a function, so in order to integrate it, you need to give it some values. Where does it takes the vectors from? Are the tangent vectors to the cycle?

Evaluating the 1 form one the tangent vectors to the cycle. This is just a line integral.
 
Silviu said:
But how can you integrate a one form, without a vector? A one-form is a function, so in order to integrate it, you need to give it some values. Where does it takes the vectors from? Are the tangent vectors to the cycle?
In general, if you can parametrise a ##p##-dimensional sub-manifold ##M## with ##p## parameters ##t_1## to ##t_p##, the integral of the ##p##-form ##\omega## over that sub-manifold is given by
$$
\int_M \omega = \int_{M^*} \omega(\dot\gamma_1, \dot \gamma_2, \ldots, \dot\gamma_p) dt_1 \ldots dt_p,
$$
where ##\dot\gamma_i## is the tangent vector to the coordinate line of ##t_i## and ##M^*## is the region in the parameter space that maps to ##M##.
 
I personally recommend you make a more thorough study of calculus of diffferential forms than the very brief sketch in this paper. you won't regret it. here is a free course on it from a professor at cornell. at least read the section on integration of one forms.

http://www.math.cornell.edu/~sjamaar/manifolds/manifold.pdf
 

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