Understanding DE's: Solving for y=x and Exam Prep Tips

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that y=x is a solution to the differential equation (1+x^2)y''-2xy'+2y=0, which is relevant for an upcoming exam. Participants explore the implications of an integrating factor in the context of solving ordinary differential equations (ODEs).

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  • Participants discuss the process of verifying y=x as a solution and the subsequent steps involving an integrating factor. Questions arise regarding the origin and application of the integrating factor in the context of the differential equation.

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Some participants provide insights into the verification of y=x as a solution and suggest looking for an independent solution. There is ongoing clarification regarding the integrating factor and its role in solving the equation, with references to external resources for further understanding.

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Participants express uncertainty about the requirements of the problem, particularly whether it solely involves showing y=x is a solution or also finding another independent solution. The discussion includes references to specific techniques and definitions relevant to ODEs.

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I have a question of show that y=x is one solution of the equation (1+x^2)y''-2xy'+2y=0) this is a question that i need to know for a coming exam. i understand and can do everything until the question gets to v''+(2/x(1+x^2))v'=0

then the question skips to IF =e^integral of (2/x(1+x^2))dx. what does this mean and where does it come from
 
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franky2727 said:
I have a question of show that y=x is one solution of the equation (1+x^2)y''-2xy'+2y=0) this is a question that i need to know for a coming exam. i understand and can do everything until the question gets to v''+(2/x(1+x^2))v'=0

then the question skips to IF =e^integral of (2/x(1+x^2))dx. what does this mean and where does it come from
IF is known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrating_factor" as it one technique used to solve ODE's.
 
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ok thanks and why is the integrating factor that part of the equation?
 
franky2727 said:
ok thanks and why is the integrating factor that part of the equation?
The linked article explains why under the heading "Technique".

Do you follow, or does it need more explanation?
 
franky2727 said:
I have a question of show that y=x is one solution of the equation (1+x^2)y''-2xy'+2y=0) this is a question that i need to know for a coming exam. i understand and can do everything until the question gets to v''+(2/x(1+x^2))v'=0

then the question skips to IF =e^integral of (2/x(1+x^2))dx. what does this mean and where does it come from
If the problem is, as you say, just to show that y= x is one solution then you don't need to do all that. If y= x, then y'= 1 and y"= 0 so the equation becomes
(1+ x2)(0)- 2x(1)+ 2(x)= -2x+ 2x= 0. Q.E.D.

However, I suspect that the problem asks you to (1) show that y= x is a solution to the equation and then (2) find another, independent, solution.

Since y= x is a solution, we can look for another solution of the form y= xv(x) where v(x) is an unknown function of x. Now y'= xv'+ v and y"= xv"+ 2v'. Putting those into the equation, (1+ x^2)(xv"+ 2v')- 2x(xv'+ v)+ 2xv= (x+ x^3)y"+ (2+ 2x^2- 2x^2)v' - 2xv+ 2xv= (x+ x^3)v"+ 2v'= 0. While that is a second order equation, v itself does not appear in the equation (because y= x satisfies the equation) and, letting u= v', we have a first order equation, (x+ x^3)u'+ 2u= 0. Now you can use the "integrating factor" site Hootenanny gave to solve that first order equation for u, then integrate to find v and, finally, find y= xv.
 

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