Understanding Divisibility Rules: Proving 4 Does Not Divide n^2 + 5

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The discussion revolves around proving that for all integers n, 4 does not divide n² + 5. Participants explore various approaches to establish this claim, including direct calculations and modular arithmetic considerations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants analyze specific cases for even and odd integers, while others suggest using modular arithmetic to check congruences. There are discussions about the validity of different proof techniques and whether certain arguments are appropriate within the constraints of integer mathematics.

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The conversation includes multiple proofs and approaches, with participants expressing varying degrees of confidence in their methods. Some participants appreciate the simplicity of certain proofs, while others express reluctance to use methods not covered in their coursework. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach, but several productive lines of reasoning have been presented.

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Participants note the importance of adhering to the methods taught in class, particularly in light of upcoming exams. There are also concerns about the appropriateness of using rational numbers versus staying strictly within integers.

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Prove: For all integer n, 4 does NOT divide n2 + 5

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I need very thorough correction, down to the last support for every thing. Thank you
 
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For case 1, when n = 2k, you have n2 + 5 = (2k)2 + 5 = 4k2 + 5 = 4(k2 + 1) + 1. Clearly 4 | 4(k2 + 1), but it can't also divide 4(k2 + 1) + 1.

For case 2, use a similar argument.
 
I would state, re the first that from:

4k2+5=4t ,

you may also write:

5=4(t-k2) , for t,k2 integers, which is not possible, i.e.,

5=4x has no solutions in integers (e.g. 4 is not invertible in integers.).

But that is a matter of preference (since I don't know the constraints; what you are or not allowed to work with).

To check possible congruences (mod4) , check the values (mod4) of each of the squares of : 4k, 4k+1,4k+2, 4k+3.

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OR:

4|(n2+5) , then n2+5==0(mod4)→

n2==3mod4. But you can check that n2==0,1,2 but not 3 (mod4).
 
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But there is nothing wrong with my proof right?
 
rather than use "not an integer" arguments, it would be cleaner to stay totally within the integers.

that is, if 4k2+ 5 = 4t

then 5 = 4(t - k2) → 4|5, impossible.

similarly, if 4k2 + 4k + 9 = 4t

then 9 = 4(t - k2 + k) → 4|9, also impossible.

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alternate proof # 1:

if 4|n2 + 5, then n2+5 must be even, so n2 must be odd → n is odd.

therefore n = 4k+1 or 4k+3 (all odd numbers are of one of these 2 forms).

(4k+1)2 + 5 = 16k2 + 8k + 6,

if this is divisible by 4, then 16k2 + 8k + 6 = 4t, so

6 = 4(t - 4k2 - 2k) → 4|6.

(4k+3)2 + 5 = 16k2 + 24k + 14, and as before:

16k2 + 24k + 14 = 4t implies 14 = 4(t - 4k2 - 6k),

so that 4|14, a contradiction.

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alternate proof #2:

let [a] = the residue class of a mod 4.

if 4|n2 + 5, then [n2 + 5] = [0], so [n2] = [-5] = [3].

but [n2] = [n][n] = [0][0], [1][1],[2][2], or [3][3].

[0][0] = [0] ≠ [3]
[1][1] = [1] ≠ [3]
[2][2] = [4] = [0] ≠ [3]
[3][3] = [9] = [1] ≠ [3],

so there is no n for which [n2] = [3], and so no n for which [n2+5] = [0], so 4 does not divide n2+ 5

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why provide 3 proofs, when all you want to know is: is yours OK? hmm...it's a mystery, no? perhaps you think about it for a little bit.
 
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Deveno said:
rather than use "not an integer" arguments, it would be cleaner to stay totally within the integers.

that is, if 4k2+ 5 = 4t

then 5 = 4(t - k2) → 4|5, impossible.

similarly, if 4k2 + 4k + 9 = 4t

then 9 = 4(t - k2 + k) → 4|9, also impossible.

*******

alternate proof # 1:

if 4|n2 + 5, then n2+5 must be even, so n2 must be odd → n is odd.

therefore n = 4k+1 or 4k+3 (all odd numbers are of one of these 2 forms).

(4k+1)2 + 5 = 16k2 + 8k + 6,

if this is divisible by 4, then 16k2 + 8k + 6 = 4t, so

6 = 4(t - 4k2 - 2k) → 4|6.

(4k+3)2 + 5 = 16k2 + 24k + 14, and as before:

16k2 + 24k + 14 = 4t implies 14 = 4(t - 4k2 - 6k),

so that 4|14, a contradiction.

why provide 3 proofs, when all you want to know is: is yours OK? hmm...it's a mystery, no? perhaps you think about it for a little bit.

I like the way you did the first two proofs, they look simple and to the point. I understand that there are many ways to do the same proof and it is always better to be able to write proofs efficiently because not all proofs are always this short.

I am reluctant to use your mod proof because we have not learned it that way. I have an exam coming up and I want to be able to just follow the professors style to get full points :-p
 
Instinctlol said:
I like the way you did the first two proofs, they look simple and to the point. I understand that there are many ways to do the same proof and it is always better to be able to write proofs efficiently because not all proofs are always this short.

I am reluctant to use your mod proof because we have not learned it that way. I have an exam coming up and I want to be able to just follow the professors style to get full points :-p

that is a fair point.. professors usually appreciate it when students don't "get ahead of themselves" and use theorems/concepts that haven't been covered yet.

that said, there's no harm in "looking ahead" and understanding that what you have done can be viewed an alternate way. it's like looking at two views of a 3-D object: one from the front, and one from the side. neither view is "wrong", but they are certainly different.
 
Proof seems correct; only thing is I don't know what you

are allowed to use (mostly: can you bring up rationals, or do you have to stay within

the integers?). If everything your using is allowed, it seems correct to me.
 

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