Understanding Gravitational Field Lines Between Two Objects

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The discussion revolves around the representation of gravitational field lines between two objects of equal mass. Participants are exploring the nature of these field lines and their similarities to electric field lines.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the radial nature of gravitational fields and question whether the forces between the masses are equal. There is an exploration of analogies with electric fields, particularly regarding the direction of field lines and the behavior of point masses.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the analogy between gravitational and electric fields, while others have raised questions about the appropriateness of these comparisons. The discussion is ongoing, with attempts to clarify the correct representation of field lines and the implications of mass being always attractive.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the need for visual representations of gravitational field lines, and participants are considering the effects of distance on the field configuration. The complexity of comparing gravitational and electric fields is acknowledged, particularly regarding the nature of mass.

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Homework Statement


"Complete the diagram to display gravitational field lines between two objects of equal mass."
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Homework Equations


N/A as question is descriptive.

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, I know it's a bit of a mess but what I'm trying to show here is that the fields are radial and each mass attracts the other with equal force. Is this correct?
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If not, please point me in the right direction.

Many thanks!

- Talli
 
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Hm, have you ever seen a picture of electric field-lines between two opposite charges? If there is no outer gravitational field I believe the two masses should yield a similar result. (Coulomb'ss law and Newton's law of gravitation is very similar in structure!). :)
 
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Alettix said:
Hm, have you ever seen a picture of electric field-lines between two opposite charges? If there is no outer gravitational field I believe the two masses should yield a similar result. (Coulomb'ss law and Newton's law of gravitation is very similar in structure!). :)

Yeah, I've just been doing questions on that actually! :smile:

Clearly my sketch isn't the best, I meant it to look similar to this electric field diagram except with arrows pointing at both masses (instead of one way towards the negative/away from the positive). I just can't seem to find any visual representations of two masses online.

Thanks for the answer.
 
TalliThePrune said:
Yeah, I've just been doing questions on that actually! :smile:

Clearly my sketch isn't the best, I meant it to look similar to this electric field diagram except with arrows pointing at both masses (instead of one way towards the negative/away from the positive). I just can't seem to find any visual representations of two masses online.

Thanks for the answer.
This is the electric field image you mentioned:
ElecF-fieldlines1.gif


Alettix has basically a good idea in that you might consider electric field lines for a case in which point charges in an electric field will behave in a manner analogous to the behavior of point masses in a gravitational field. However, her suggestion to look at the field lines produced by opposite charges may not be what is needed.

This analogy is complicated by the fact that mass has no sign. All mass force is attractive. How do you determine the direction of a force field? Place a test charge (or test mass) at some location and determine the direction of the force exerted on or test charge (or mass) .

We are not particularly interested in whether the two objects producing the field attract each other or repel each other.

Show that the two proposed configurations are not analogous.

How can that be rectified?
 
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Imagine that for grater distance the field of two masses must be like as one mass field.
 
TalliThePrune said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, I know it's a bit of a mess but what I'm trying to show here is that the fields are radial and each mass attracts the other with equal force. Is this correct?
tumblr_npc3b0SJnI1qkljyuo2_1280.jpg

You placed the arrows nearly correctly, and you are right, the field lines are radial, but only very near to one mass. But you know that the total field is the vector sum of the fields of the individual masses. So what is the direction of the resultant field lines along the symmetry axis (the perpendicular bisector) of the two masses? At A, for example? And what is the net field acting on a small mass at point B?
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