Understanding Gravitational Potential: Negative Values and Decreasing Trends

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of gravitational potential, specifically addressing the interpretation of negative values and the implications of increasing distance from a mass on potential values. Participants explore the mathematical representation of gravitational potential and its behavior as distance changes, with a focus on theoretical understanding and conceptual clarification.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that gravitational potential is always a negative value based on the equation V = - \frac{GM}{r}, and they question how potential can be considered decreasing as distance increases.
  • Others argue that as r increases, the term 1/r decreases, which implies that -1/r increases, suggesting that the potential is becoming less negative.
  • One participant clarifies that this means the potential is increasing, as it is less negative at greater distances.
  • Another participant notes that on a graph of V versus r, the potential slopes upward, indicating a positive slope as distance increases.
  • Some participants draw analogies to coordinate systems, suggesting that moving to a higher potential is similar to increasing the x-coordinate in a Cartesian plane.
  • A later reply expresses satisfaction with the discussion, indicating that they found the contributions helpful.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of how gravitational potential behaves with increasing distance, leading to a lack of consensus on whether potential is increasing or decreasing in a practical sense. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of negative values and their implications.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the interpretation of negative values in gravitational potential and the implications of distance on potential values. The discussion does not reach a definitive conclusion on these points.

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Gravitational potential is always a negative value according to the theory.
As per to the equation V = - \frac{GM}{r}; when the r (distance) increases the potential decreases. But considering the potential at infinity as zero and since this a negative value, on what basis do we consider the potential is decreasing, not increasing (When the distance is increasing)?
 
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Knightycloud said:
As per to the equation V = - \frac{GM}{r}; when the r (distance) increases the potential decreases.

No. As r increases, 1/r decreases, but -1/r increases.
 
jtbell said:
No. As r increases, 1/r decreases, but -1/r increases.

i.e. it's less negative.
 
...or slopes upward (has a positive slope) on a graph of V versus r.
 
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'Everywhere' is the equivalent of 'underground', effectively and up is up, however deep or high you are.
 
jtbell said:
No. As r increases, 1/r decreases, but -1/r increases.

So as the negative value decreases, potential is increasing accordingly?

Let's say that the potential on Earth surface is Va = -\frac{GM}{R} and if we move to a higher place where the distance is twice, the potential is Vb = -\frac{GM}{2R}. But at Vb, the negative value is smaller than Va, Vb has a higher potential. Right? :smile:
 
Knightycloud said:
So as the negative value decreases, potential is increasing accordingly?

Let's say that the potential on Earth surface is Va = -\frac{GM}{R} and if we move to a higher place where the distance is twice, the potential is Vb = -\frac{GM}{2R}. But at Vb, the negative value is smaller than Va, Vb has a higher potential. Right? :smile:

It's exactly the same as when you deal with xy co ordinates. Moving tp the right is increasing the x co ordinate, whether you start on the right or to the left of the origin. Just let the Maths work for you.
And you really mean 'magnitude'.
 
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Yep. I got answers. Thank you all! :D
 

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