Understanding Hubble's Law: Calculating Recession Velocity and Hubble's Constant

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around Hubble's Law, specifically the calculations of recession velocity and Hubble's Constant. Participants explore the implications of these calculations while acknowledging complexities such as cosmic acceleration, inflation, and the evolving nature of Hubble's Constant over time.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for Hubble's Constant and recession velocity, noting that Hubble's Constant is not truly constant and decreases as the universe ages.
  • Another participant points out that the relationship H = 1/age is only an approximation, valid at certain times but not universally applicable, especially during inflation.
  • A third participant agrees with the previous point, emphasizing the complications introduced by inflation in understanding Hubble's Law.
  • Another participant adds that Hubble's function H(t) is influenced by various factors throughout the universe's history, and that H(t) = 1/t is not a general truth across all models or times.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the limitations of applying Hubble's Law universally, particularly regarding inflation and the variability of Hubble's Constant. However, there is no consensus on the implications of these limitations or the accuracy of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexities of cosmic inflation and the changing nature of Hubble's Constant, indicating that assumptions about constancy and simplicity may not hold in all scenarios.

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Can someone check my math? I want to be sure I understand Hubble’s Law. I know it’s not exact since there’s acceleration, inflation and flatness. But let’s leave all that out just to understand Hubble’s Law. The formulas are pretty simple. There are 2 parts one is for finding the recession velocity between objects and the other is Hubble’s Constant, which is not constant. It shrinks as the universe ages.

H = 1 / UniverseAge
V (km/s) = H (km/s/Mpc) * D (Mpc)

The tricky part is converting H to km/s/Mpc. So here’s a better version. You can use any time frame in place of years.

H(km/s/Mpc) = C(km/s) / C(Mpc/yr) * UniverseAge(yr)

For an object 1 billion light-years (307Mpc) away today:

H(0) = 300,000km/s / 307Mpc/Gyr * 13.7Gyr, H(0) = 71.4
v = 71 * 307, v = 22,000 km/s

That looks good. Here’s another one. For an object 1 kilometer away 1 second after the Big Bang started:

H = 300,000km/s / 9.72e-15Mpc/s * 1s, H(0) = 3.09e19
v = 3.09e19 * 3.24e-20, v = 1 km/s

Wow, funny how that works out. So 1 second after the Big Bang, an object 1 kilometer away is receding away at 1 kilometer per second. That has nothing to do with reality since that’s still in an inflation period. But I just want to know if that’s right according to Hubble’s Law.
 
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The statement that H = 1/age is only approximate. It happens to hold pretty well at this moment in the history of the Universe but didn't hold in the past and won't in the future. You certainly can't extrapolate this back to inflation unfortunately.
 
Thanks Wallace. You're right about that inflation business throwing a wrench in the works. But I'm glad to know I got Hubble's Law down.
 
It's not just inflation, the function H(t) depends on a range of factors at all times in the history of the Universe. Only in some models or at certain times in some models does H(t) = 1/t, in general this is not true.
 

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