Understanding Integration: Unpacking the Formula and Solving Problems

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The discussion revolves around the concept of integration in mathematics, specifically focusing on the formula for integrating power functions and its application in solving integrals. Participants explore the nuances of differentiation and integration, as well as the implications of variable substitution in integration problems.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the integration formula \(\int u^n du = \frac{u^{n+1}}{n+1} + C\) and questions the absence of the derivative \(u'\) in the context of differentiation.
  • Another participant clarifies that \(u'\) is relevant when differentiating with respect to a variable other than \(u\), and explains how to apply the formula correctly when integrating.
  • A different participant challenges the correctness of the differentiation expression provided and emphasizes the need to specify the variable with respect to which the derivative is taken.
  • Some participants provide examples of integration, illustrating the process of finding antiderivatives and discussing the notation involved, including the importance of the constant \(C\).
  • There is a discussion about the terminology used, with one participant reflecting on the complexity of mathematical language and the concept of abstraction in mathematics.
  • Another participant offers a linguistic perspective on the term "abstraction," discussing its derivation and usage in English.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the integration process and the terminology used. While some points are clarified, there remains disagreement on certain aspects of differentiation and integration, as well as the appropriate language to describe these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of specifying the variable in differentiation and integration, and there are references to potential misunderstandings regarding mathematical notation and terminology.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning integration and differentiation, educators seeking to understand common misconceptions, and anyone interested in the linguistic aspects of mathematical terminology.

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Hi. I read a few things about integration on my maths book and googled it up. I think i got the idea of it, but there's something that's still confusing me:

I found this formula but i can't see how it can be true

[tex]\int u^n du = \frac{u^{n+1}}{n+1} + C[/tex]

however, as far as i remember:

(u^n)' = n*u'*u^(n-1)

How can this be right. where did that (u') go?

For example: please tell me how to solve this one:

[tex]\int (1-x^2)^\frac{1}{2} dx[/tex]

using the formula i'd say:

[tex]\frac{2(1-x^2)^\frac{3}{2}}{3}[/tex]

but this can't be right.:frown:
 
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u' comes in when you differentiate with respect to a variable other than u. For example, if u=u(x), then:

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(u^n) = n u^{n-1} \frac{du}{dx}[/tex]

If you differentiate with respect to u (in other words, take u=x in the above equation), then du/du=1, and so:

[tex]\frac{d}{du}(u^n) = n u^{n-1}[/tex]

Applying this to the indefinite integral above you get back the integrand as expected.

As for your second question, this is more complicated because u=1-x2, so du/dx is not 1 as it was before. The final answer will involve the arcsin function. If you're interested, this would go like:

[tex]\int \sqrt{1-x^2} dx = \int \frac{1-x^2}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} dx[/tex]
[tex]= \int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} - \int \frac{x^2 dx}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} = \sin^{-1} x - \left( (x)(-\sqrt{1-x^2}) - \int (-\sqrt{1-x^2}) dx \right)[/tex]

[tex]\int \sqrt{1-x^2} dx = \frac{1}{2} (\sin^{-1} x + x\sqrt{1-x^2})[/tex]
 
integrate

I think this is one nice example
 

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Ajoo said:
(u^n)' = n*u'*u^(n-1)
is NOT correct. In fact, it really doesn't makes sense because it doesn't say with respect to what variable the derivative is done.

What is true is that
[tex]\frac{du^n}{dx}= n u^{n-1}\frac{du}{dx}[/tex]
In particular, if u= x,
[tex]\frac{du}{dx}= 1[/tex]
so
[tex]\frac{du^n}{du}= n u^{n-1}[/tex]

That also means that
[tex]\frac{1}{n+1}\frac{du^{n+1}}{du}= \frac{1}{n+1}(n+1)x^{n+1-1}= u^n[/tex]
so
[tex]\int u^n du= \frac{1}{n+1}u^{n+1}[/tex]
 
It's simply...the abstractization of the antiderivative written in a very fancy way.

assume your problem asks for integration of 3x^2. you know answer is x^3.

So look. 3x^2 integrated => 3x ^ (2+1) divided by (2+1) => 3x^3 divided by 3 or...x^3.
 
Robokapp said:
It's simply...the abstractization of the antiderivative written in a very fancy way.

assume your problem asks for integration of 3x^2. you know answer is x^3.

Hopefully, you know the answer is x^3+ C!:biggrin:
 
not +C! but plain +C w00t!
But yeah, good point. Just for the record, in first few months of calculus I forgot every dx and every +C I encountered and should have written...all until differentials. Then...God, they mattered :D
 
Robokapp said:
It's simply...the abstractization of the antiderivative written in a very fancy way.

assume your problem asks for integration of 3x^2. you know answer is x^3.

So look. 3x^2 integrated => 3x ^ (2+1) divided by (2+1) => 3x^3 divided by 3 or...x^3.
"abstractization"?
 
Maybe i used the wrong word, I'm not a native english speaker...The thing where universal variables replace numbers...basically a model that you can use for your numbers if you can figure out what goes where. At times I found it to be more difficult than just...say it in baby terms.

Oh you know what I mean! I was trying to sound smart :(
 
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Robokapp: "Abstraction" is a perfectly good word and works in place of "Abstractization". Unfortunately, in English, it is easy to create new, overly long, words by adding "endings". Don't use long words where shorter ones will do!

By the way, your English is far better than my (put pretty much any language you wish here).
 
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Abstraction...

Abstract is the root word...Abstraction is the noun formed by derivation...Abstractization is the noun reflecting "Abstraction done by someone on something"...a noun coming from the verb...which I think goes "to abstractize". Or is it "to abstract"?

Well that's how i thought it out I think. I don't start mubling these things before i write a word...it just comes out.

I'll remember it for the future hehe. Thx!
 

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