Understanding Lightning: Causes of Ionisation and its Impact on Atmosphere

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The discussion revolves around the causes of ionisation in the atmosphere and its relationship to lightning. Participants explore various aspects of lightning formation, including the processes involved and the conditions necessary for ionisation to occur.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on how atoms are ionised in the atmosphere and how this ionisation leads to lightning.
  • Another participant describes a common understanding of lightning formation, suggesting it begins with a thermal process in clouds that leads to charge separation, creating a capacitor effect that results in lightning when energy is released.
  • A different participant points out that the internal electric fields in thunderstorm clouds may be too low to spontaneously initiate lightning, indicating uncertainty about the mechanisms involved.
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Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of lightning formation, with some proposing established processes while others highlight uncertainties and lack of consensus on the specifics of ionisation and electric fields in clouds.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about charge separation and the conditions necessary for lightning, as well as the dependence on definitions of terms like "ionisation" and "electric force."

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying atmospheric physics, meteorology, or those curious about the natural phenomena of lightning and its underlying processes.

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Please explain this to me: "Electric force manifests itself in atmosphere where the atoms are ionised and that leads to lightening".

why and how are atoms ionised in the above case? How does this ionisation cause lightening?
 
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First of all there are many forms of lightning and more being discovered from space. I assume you are referring to the common forked streaks we see during a thunderstorm so I'll address that.

AFAIK it begins as a thermal process within clouds which results in warmer lighter objects having a positive charge gradually congregating at the top of a cloud while cooler, negatively charged particles (often ice crystals) gather at the bottom. Because this is a loose conglommeration there is air without charge between the two which creates a sort of capacitor, which when it reaches overload conditions releases that energy as the spark we call lightning.

For e fuller (and better) explanation see http://scijinks.jpl.nasa.gov/lightning/
 
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Avito, nobody knows that for sure. Internal electric fields in a thunderstorm cloud are too low to spontaneously initiate lightning
 
Slow motion films of lightning can be enlightening:



 
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