Understanding Linear Algebra Solutions: Sketching and Ratios Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the solution to a problem in linear algebra involving ratios and position vectors. Participants are seeking clarification on the derivation of a specific ratio (1/4) and the positioning of points A and B relative to points P and Q. The scope includes conceptual understanding and mathematical reasoning related to vector representation and ratios in a geometric context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the origin of the ratio 1/4, suggesting it may relate to the ratio 1:3, and seek confirmation on their understanding of the calculation.
  • One participant asserts that the sketch provided is inaccurate, indicating that point A should be 1/4 of the way from P to Q based on the problem's description.
  • Another participant explains that the ratio 1:3 implies a specific distance relationship between points A, P, and Q, and clarifies that if A were 1/3 of the way, the distances would not align with the given conditions.
  • There is a discussion about the potential ambiguity of point B's position, with one participant noting that A could be located on either side of P, leading to multiple possible positions for A.
  • A participant introduces a mathematical mapping of points P and Q, discussing the implications of restricting the domain of this mapping and the interpretation of steps taken along the line segment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the sketch and the interpretation of point positions. While some agree on the calculation of the ratio, there is no consensus on the clarity of point B's definition or the implications of the mapping discussed.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of points and the context of the problem, particularly concerning the distinction between points in vector space versus affine space.

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Please help me to understand the solution :( (I have made the sketch, is it correct?, where has the 1/4 comes from? is it like 1:3 (1 ratio 3) => numerator divided by numerator + denominator = 1/1+3 =1/4 (as given on page 6 at http://www.lowndes.k12.ga.us/view/14167.pdf )? or am I wrong? For point position vector b in the solution the point B is on the left side from P (as A is on the right side of P)?)

Thanks in advance.
 
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woundedtiger4 said:
ifx06a.jpg


Please help me to understand the solution :( (I have made the sketch, is it correct?, where has the 1/4 comes from? is it like 1:3 (1 ratio 3) => numerator divided by numerator + denominator = 1/1+3 =1/4 (as given on page 6 at http://www.lowndes.k12.ga.us/view/14167.pdf )? or am I wrong? For point position vector b in the solution the point B is on the left side from P (as A is on the right side of P)?)

Thanks in advance.
Your sketch isn't very accurate. It looks like A is more than 1/3 of the way along the segment between P and Q. From the problem description, the length of AQ is three times the length of AP, so A should be 1/4 of the way from P to Q.

woundedtiger4 said:
For point position vector b in the solution the point B is on the left side from P (as A is on the right side of P)?)
I don't understand what you're asking here. What point B?
 
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woundedtiger4 said:
where has the 1/4 comes from? is it like 1:3 (1 ratio 3) => numerator divided by numerator + denominator = 1/1+3 =1/4 (as given on page 6 at http://www.lowndes.k12.ga.us/view/14167.pdf )? or am I wrong?
It is 1/(1+3) = 1/4. If it were 1/3, then A would be a distance of x from P while A will be a distance of 2x from Q. Can you see this? This would make the ratio 1:2 as opposed to 1:3.

woundedtiger4 said:
For point position vector b in the solution the point B is on the left side from P (as A is on the right side of P)?)
Yes, except that the question doesn't introduce a new point B, it just asked whether A is uniquely determinable, which is no because it can be found on the left side of P as well. A has two possible positions.
 
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The line through P and Q is the map ##t\mapsto p+t(q-p)##. Note that this map takes 0 to p and 1 to q. So if we restrict the domain of this map to [0,1], we get the line segment from P to Q. The expression p+t(q-p) can be interpreted as "start at p and take t steps of length |q-p| in the direction towards q". (I know that ##t\leq 1##, but you can certainly imagine taking less than one step; half a step would be a step that's half as long). How big a step would you have to take to end up at a point that's three times as far from P as from Q?

The distinction between P and p is kind of nonsensical if you're working with the vector space ##\mathbb R^3##. It makes sense when you're working with a 3-dimensional affine space, but my guess is that this is from a book that doesn't mention affine spaces.

For the second part, I would find all ##t\in\mathbb R## such that ##|a-p|=3|a-q|##, where ##a=p+t(q-p)=(1-t)p+tq##.
 
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