A Understanding Local and Nonlocal Operators in Quantum Field Theory

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Here we have a distribution defined on test functions of two real variables (you can take ##C_0^{\infty}(\mathbb{R}^2)##, ##(x,y) \mapsto f(x,y)##).

Of course, ##[\delta(x)]^2##, meant as a distribution on ##C_0^{\infty}(\mathbb{R})## is an undefined expression, similar to ##1/0## in the algebra of a ring or field.

Such expressions of course occur often in physics, because we physicists are pretty sloppy, and then we have to think a bit deeper. A prominent example is to use plane-wave asymptotic initial and final states with S-matrix Elements ##S_{fi} \propto \delta^{(4)}(P_i-P_f)## and then calculation probabilities by taking ##|S_{fi}|^2##, which of course is an ill-defined meaningless expression. Then we "regularize" the expression and take a more careful limit to make sense of the ill-defined expressions. In this case it's simple, because one should know from classical electrodynamics and quantum mechanics that plane waves are not physically realizable descriptions of fields or states but indeed "distributions" living on the dual of the nuclear space of rigged Hilbert space. So the physical solution is obvious: You have to use true asymptotic free states, aka wave packets, and then also the scattering process being described makes sense.

Another example are infrared and collinear divergences when zero-mass fields ("particles") are involved. There the plane waves aren't even the correct "distribution-valued" (generalized) asymptotic free states, but rather "infraparticles" are. This is cured by either working with the correct asymptotic free "infraparticle" asymptotic free states (e.g., as Kulisch and Faddeev, or Kibble [*] worked out) or you do the more common approach of resumming "soft-photon ladders" (e.g., as detailed in Weinberg, QT of fields, vol. 1).

Last but not least the UV divergences in perturbative evaluation of S-matrix elements are dealed with in renormalization theory.

All this can also be formalized to avoid the mathematical night mares from the very beginning (see the above quoted book by Scharf).

Whether or not a complete mathmatically rigorous non-perturbative existence proof for any realistic QFT is possible, is not known yet.
 
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  • #53
martinbn said:
For instance if the space-time point ##x## is here and now (with respect to me) and the space-time point ##y## tomorrow at noon in Paris, what is the meaning of the product of the two values of the field ##O## at these two events?
It's used to compute the correlation functions, which in turn are used to compute many physical quantities such as the S-matrix.

martinbn said:
And if you take all these products over all pairs of events, why is that a field. This is impossible to make sense even in a classical/nonquantum field theory without the mathematical subtleties!
It's not a field, it's a product of fields. (You do realize that here the word "field" has nothing to do with fields in abstract algebra, do you?) There is absolutely no mathematical problem with this product in classical field theory.
 
  • #54
Here we have a distribution defined on test functions of two real variables (you can take ##C_0^{\infty}(\mathbb{R}^2)##, ##(x,y) \mapsto f(x,y)##).

Of course, ##[\delta(x)]^2##, meant as a distribution on ##C_0^{\infty}(\mathbb{R})## is an undefined expression, similar to ##1/0## in the algebra of a ring or field.

Such expressions of course occur often in physics, because we physicists are pretty sloppy, and then we have to think a bit deeper. A prominent example is to use plane-wave asymptotic initial and final states with S-matrix Elements ##S_{fi} \propto \delta^{(4)}(P_i-P_f)## and then calculation probabilities by taking ##|S_{fi}|^2##, which of course is an ill-defined meaningless expression. Then we "regularize" the expression and take a more careful limit to make sense of the ill-defined expressions. In this case it's simple, because one should know from classical electrodynamics and quantum mechanics that plane waves are not physically realizable descriptions of fields or states but indeed "distributions" living on the dual of the nuclear space of rigged Hilbert space. So the physical solution is obvious: You have to use true asymptotic free states, aka wave packets, and then also the scattering process being described makes sense.

Another example are infrared and collinear divergences when zero-mass fields ("particles") are involved. There the plane waves aren't even the correct "distribution-valued" (generalized) asymptotic free states, but rather "infraparticles" are. This is cured by either working with the correct asymptotic free "infraparticle" asymptotic free states (e.g., as Kulisch and Faddeev, or Kibble [*] worked out) or you do the more common approach of resumming "soft-photon ladders" (e.g., as detailed in Weinberg, QT of fields, vol. 1).

Last but not least the UV divergences in perturbative evaluation of S-matrix elements are dealed with in renormalization theory.

All this can also be formalized to avoid the mathematical night mares from the very beginning (see the above quoted book by Scharf).

Whether or not a complete mathmatically rigorous non-perturbative existence proof for any realistic QFT is possible, is not known yet.

[*]
P. Kulish and L. Faddeev, Asymptotic conditions and infrared
divergences in quantum electrodynamics, Theor. Math. Phys.
4, 745 (1970), https://doi.org/10.1007/BF01066485.

T. W. B. Kibble, Coherent Soft-Photon States and Infrared
Divergences. I. Classical Currents, Jour. Math. Phys. 9, 315
(1968), https://doi.org/10.1063/1.1664582.

T. W. B. Kibble, Coherent Soft-Photon States and Infrared
Divergences. II. Mass-Shell Singularities of Green’s Functions,
Phys. Rev. 173, 1527 (1968),
https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRev.173.1527.

T. W. B. Kibble, Coherent Soft-Photon States and Infrared
Divergences. III. Asymptotic States and Reduction Formulas,
Phys. Rev. 174, 1882 (1968),
https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRev.174.1882.

T. W. B. Kibble, Coherent Soft-Photon States and Infrared
Divergences. IV. The Scattering Operator, Phys. Rev. 175,
1624 (1968), https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRev.175.1624.
 
  • #55
Demystifier said:
It's not a field, it's a product of fields. (You do realize that here the word "field" has nothing to do with fields in abstract algebra, do you?) There is absolutely no mathematical problem with this product in classical field theory.
Of course, but that's my point. The question in this thread was to give an example of a non-local FIELD. Now you say that your example is NOT A FIELD!
vanhees71 said:
Here we have a distribution defined on test functions of two real variables (you can take ##C_0^{\infty}(\mathbb{R}^2)##, ##(x,y) \mapsto f(x,y)##).
Same as above. Of course you can do that. How is that relevant to the question. You may as well have given an example of some completely different mathematical object.
 
  • #56
martinbn said:
Of course, but that's my point. The question in this thread was to give an example of a non-local FIELD. Now you say that your example is NOT A FIELD!
Fair enough! But as I said several times, it can still be viewed as a field if ##y## is treated as a constant. Just like ##f(x)f(y)## can be viewed as a function of one variable if ##y## is treated as a constant.
 
  • #57
Demystifier said:
Fair enough! But as I said several times, it can still be viewed as a field if ##y## is treated as a constant. Just like ##f(x)f(y)## can be viewed as a function of one variable if ##y## is treated as a constant.
But if you multiply something by a constant, then it is not much different than the original. How is ##5O## nonlocal if ##O## was local, whatever local means in this context? Is this related to the fact that here we don't have numbers but operators and they don't commute, and we are not multiplying by a constant number but a constant operator? How? Is it ok to multiply like that?
 
  • #58
martinbn said:
Is this related to the fact that here we don't have numbers but operators and they don't commute, and we are not multiplying by a constant number but a constant operator?
Of course. I thought it was obvious all along. Let ##O(x)=e^{-ipx}O(0)e^{ipx}## where ##p## is the translation operator. By definition, this equality means that ##O(x)## is a local operator. Now consider the operator
$$A(x)=O(x)O(7)$$
It follows that
$$A(x) \neq e^{-ipx} A(0) e^{ipx}$$
Hence, by definition, ##A(x)## is not a local operator.
 
  • #59
martinbn said:
Of course, but that's my point. The question in this thread was to give an example of a non-local FIELD. Now you say that your example is NOT A FIELD!

Same as above. Of course you can do that. How is that relevant to the question. You may as well have given an example of some completely different mathematical object.
You asked for the definition, and I gave it. I don't know, what's so difficult to accept that a non-local operator depends not only on one space-time argument. There's nothing to understand, because it's a definition.
 
  • #60
##O(7)## doesn't make sense to begin with. ##x## and ##y## are four-vector arguments.
 
  • #61
Demystifier said:
By the requirement of closure under the action of ##O(x)## for all ##x##.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't help. The action of ##O(x)## for any given ##x## doesn't change ##x##. So this still doesn't help me to understand how ##O(x)## and ##O(y)##, with ##y \neq x##, can both be operators on the same vector space. Why is there not a separate vector space for each individual ##x##?
 
  • #62
vanhees71 said:
For free fields it's the usual Fock space.

I understand how to make sense of a product of operators for different momenta in the momentum representation of Fock space. But how do I make sense of a product of operators for different positions? The basis states in the Fock space are, as you said in another post, plane waves, which means they aren't localized to any position at all.
 
  • #63
For a free field you have an expansion in terms of creation and annihilation operators wrt. some energy eigenbasis. In relativistic QFT it's convenient to choose the momentum eigenstates which are also energy eigenstates with energy eigenvalues ##E_{\vec{p}}=\sqrt{\vec{p}^2+m^2}## (using the usual natural units with ##\hbar=c=1##). E.g., for a scalar field
$$\hat{\phi}(x)=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 p \frac{1}{(2 \pi)^3 \sqrt{2 E_{\vec{p}}}} \left [\hat{a}(\vec{p}) \exp(-\mathrm{i} p \cdot x) + \hat{b}^{\dagger}(\vec{p}) \exp(+\mathrm{i} p \cdot x) \right]_{p^0=+E_\vec{p}}.$$
Here ##p \cdot x=p_{\mu} p^{\mu}=(p^0)^2-\vec{p}^2## is the usual Minkowski product with signature (+---).

The field operators are by construction operator-valued functions of the space-time coordinates, obeying the canonical equal-time commutation relations (spin 0 implies the quantize as bosons to fulfill the microcausality condition as well as the postive semidefinitenes of ##\hat{H}##), resulting in the usual bosonic commutators for the annihilation and creation operators, which are normalized such that
$$[\hat{a}(\vec{p}),\hat{a}^{\dagger}(\vec{p}')]=(2 \pi)^3 \delta^{(3)}(\vec{p}-\vec{p}').$$
Now you build with field operators local observables, e.g., the current
$$\hat{J}_{\mu}(x)=\mathrm{i} :\hat{\phi}^{\dagger}(x) \overleftrightarrow{\partial_{\mu}} \hat{\phi}(x):$$
Here the colons denote normal ordering and
$$A(x) \overleftrightarrow{\partial_{\mu}} B(x)=A(x) \partial_{\mu} B(x)-[\partial_{\mu} A(x)] B(x).$$
The four-momentum operator is given by
$$\hat{P}^{\mu} = \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 p \frac{1}{(2 \pi)^3} p^{\mu} [\hat{a}^{\dagger}(\vec{p}) \hat{a}(p) + \hat{b}^{\dagger}(\vec{p}) \hat{b}(\vec{p})], \quad p^0=E_{\vec{p}}.$$
With that you get the said property of a local operator for the fields as well as for local composite operators.

Operator products of the kind ##\hat{\phi}(x) \hat{\phi}(y)## are not local operators in this sense, because they do not fulfill this property.
 
  • #64
vanhees71 said:
##O(7)## doesn't make sense to begin with. ##x## and ##y## are four-vector arguments.
I was working in one dimension. Some still cannot understand what is local operator in one dimension, so four dimensions would be an overkill.
 
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  • #65
PeterDonis said:
I'm sorry, but this doesn't help. The action of ##O(x)## for any given ##x## doesn't change ##x##. So this still doesn't help me to understand how ##O(x)## and ##O(y)##, with ##y \neq x##, can both be operators on the same vector space. Why is there not a separate vector space for each individual ##x##?
Take, for example, free scalar (Klein-Gordon) field ##\phi(x)##. Aren't ##\phi(x)## and ##\phi(y)## operators on the same vector space?
 
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  • #66
PeterDonis said:
The basis states in the Fock space are, as you said in another post, plane waves, which means they aren't localized to any position at all.
So what? Have you ever calculated something like ##\phi(x)|0\rangle## for the free scalar field?
 
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vanhees71 said:
For a free field you have an expansion in terms of creation and annihilation operators wrt. some energy eigenbasis.

Ok, so for a product like ##\hat{\phi}(x) \hat{\phi}(y)##, we would multiply two of these integrals, one with ##\exp(i p \cdot x)## and one with ##\exp(i p^\prime \cdot y)##. (The ##p## in each integral would be a different dummy integration variable, which is why I put a prime on the second one.) Then we're back to the issue @martinbn has already raised regarding the product of distributions, since each integral by itself gives a distribution.
 
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  • #68
Yes. We all know that the physicists' reckless manipulations with distributions leads to trouble since around 1926. As I said above, the physicists have also found ways to cure it (normal ordering, renormalization) and mathematicians have made it rigorous as far as they could get it rigorous (e.g., the Epstein-Glaser approach to perturbation theory, where the product of local operators and distributions are made rigorous). AFAIK the problem, whether a realistic interacting QFT exists in a rigorous sense, is not solved yet. For QED it's likely not to exist, while for QCD (asymptotic free gauge theory) it may well be, but nobody knows it for sure yet.
 
  • #69
vanhees71 said:
Yes. We all know that the physicists' reckless manipulations with distributions leads to trouble since around 1926. As I said above, the physicists have also found ways to cure it (normal ordering, renormalization) and mathematicians have made it rigorous as far as they could get it rigorous (e.g., the Epstein-Glaser approach to perturbation theory, where the product of local operators and distributions are made rigorous). AFAIK the problem, whether a realistic interacting QFT exists in a rigorous sense, is not solved yet. For QED it's likely not to exist, while for QCD (asymptotic free gauge theory) it may well be, but nobody knows it for sure yet.
Why is it likely not to exist for QED?
 
  • #70
Because there seems to be a Landau pole. I'm not an expert in axiomatic QFT, but afaik there's no complete proof for the rigorous existence of QED.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Because there seems to be a Landau pole. I'm not an expert in axiomatic QFT, but afaik there's no complete proof for the rigorous existence of QED.
In addition, there is a lot of evidence (e.g. from lattice computations) that QED in the continuum limit is trivial.
 
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  • #72
Some of the contention in this discussion follows from physicists' sloppiness about making distinctions. The symbol ##x## can mean:
  1. An operator (the position operator, in QM---there is no position operator in QFT).
  2. A variable
  3. An unspecified constant
Similarly, an expression such as ##f(x)## can either mean a function, or the value of the function at a particular unspecified argument ##x##.

I don't think that these ambiguities cause problems for physicists working alone, but they cause problems for communication.

The specific example ##\delta(x) \delta(y)## is yet another ambiguous expression. Since ##\delta(x)## is a distribution, this expression appears to be the product of distributions, which is undefined.

However, we can certainly make sense of it as a distribution on ##R^2##. That is, as a functional ##F## that takes a function ##f## of type ##R^2 \Rightarrow C## and returns an element of ##C##.

##F(f) = f(0,0)##

Writing this as ##F(f) = \int dx dy f(x,y) \delta(x) \delta(y)## is no more an abuse of mathematical notation than the notation ##\delta(x)## in the first place. For most purposes, the notation is useful, as long as you have a feel for when it gets you into trouble.
 
  • #73
Demystifier said:
In addition, there is a lot of evidence (e.g. from lattice computations) that QED in the continuum limit is trivial.

Professor: "Class, for your examination today, I want you to compute the magnetic moment of the electron using QED. That might seem like a lot of work to accomplish in one hour, but we have evidence that QED is actually trivial."
 
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  • #74
stevendaryl said:
Some of the contention in this discussion follows from physicists' sloppiness about making distinctions. The symbol ##x## can mean:
  1. An operator (the position operator, in QM---there is no position operator in QFT).
  2. A variable
  3. An unspecified constant
Similarly, an expression such as ##f(x)## can either mean a function, or the value of the function at a particular unspecified argument ##x##.

I don't think that these ambiguities cause problems for physicists working alone, but they cause problems for communication.

The specific example ##\delta(x) \delta(y)## is yet another ambiguous expression. Since ##\delta(x)## is a distribution, this expression appears to be the product of distributions, which is undefined.

However, we can certainly make sense of it as a distribution on ##R^2##. That is, as a functional ##F## that takes a function ##f## of type ##R^2 \Rightarrow C## and returns an element of ##C##.

##F(f) = f(0,0)##

Writing this as ##F(f) = \int dx dy f(x,y) \delta(x) \delta(y)## is no more an abuse of mathematical notation than the notation ##\delta(x)## in the first place. For most purposes, the notation is useful, as long as you have a feel for when it gets you into trouble.
The expected notation would be ##\delta (x, y)##.
 
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  • #75
stevendaryl said:
Professor: "Class, for your examination today, I want you to compute the magnetic moment of the electron using QED. That might seem like a lot of work to accomplish in one hour, but we have evidence that QED is actually trivial."
"Continuum limit" is the key word. In actual calculations of loop diagrams one performs a regularization which avoids dealing with the continuum limit. For more on triviality see e.g.
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Triviality_of_four_dimensional_phi^4_theory_on_the_lattice
 
  • #76
martinbn said:
The expected notation would be ##\delta (x, y)##.
But ##\delta^{(2)}(x,y)=\delta(x) \delta(y)## (and this is not sloppy nor in any way undefined btw.).
 
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stevendaryl said:
Professor: "Class, for your examination today, I want you to compute the magnetic moment of the electron using QED. That might seem like a lot of work to accomplish in one hour, but we have evidence that QED is actually trivial."
"You have to do calculations in the Interaction picture. It doesn't exist, but I don't care, just shutup and calculate!" ;-)).
 
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  • #78
stevendaryl said:
Professor: "Class, for your examination today, I want you to compute the magnetic moment of the electron using QED. That might seem like a lot of work to accomplish in one hour, but we have evidence that QED is actually trivial."

Reminds me of the joke about the professor who starts the class by writing one equation on the blackboard; then he says "and from this, it is obvious that the following is true", and writes a second equation. Then he stops, furrows his brow, and says "wait a minute, I may be wrong". Then he spends the next hour covering the blackboard with equations, muttering to himself, and finally, just as the class is over, he steps back, sighs with relief, and says "yes, I was right in the first place; it is obvious that the second equation follows from the first."
 
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  • #79
One of the zillions of anecdotes about Pauli was that once in a lecture he said that something is trivial. A courageous student dared to ask, whether it's really trivial. Pauli went out of the lecture room. After 10 minutes he came back and told the students: "It's really trivial", and went on with his lecture.
 
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  • #80
vanhees71 said:
But ##\delta^{(2)}(x,y)=\delta(x) \delta(y)## (and this is not sloppy nor in any way undefined btw.).
It is at best sloppy.
 
  • #81
Why? The definition is
$$\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x \int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} y f(x,y) \delta(x) \delta(y)=f(0,0).$$
That's well-defined and standard in all the literature I know.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Why? The definition is
$$\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x \int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} y f(x,y) \delta(x) \delta(y)=f(0,0).$$
That's well-defined and standard in all the literature I know.
Can you give me a title and a page.
 
  • #83
This should be in any textbook dealing with ##\delta## distributions. One concrete example is

M. L. Boas, Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences
 
  • #84
vanhees71 said:
This should be in any textbook dealing with ##\delta## distributions. One concrete example is

M. L. Boas, Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences
I found it. It is sloppy there too.
 
  • #85
Perhaps we should open another thread somewhere in the Math forum, but why is this sloppy? I'm not a mathematician, but I cannot imagine that there's something problematic with this formula. One way to prove it is to use some weak limit, e.g., of Gaussians in the limit of vanishing standard deviations. There the functions factorize, and I don't see why there is a problem with taking the weak limit leading to the factorization of the multi-dimensional ##\delta##-distribution, i.e., like
$$\delta^{(3)}(\vec{x}-\vec{x}_0)=\delta(x-x_0) \delta(y-y_0) \delta(z-z_0).$$
 
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  • #86
vanhees71 said:
Perhaps we should open another thread somewhere in the Math forum, but why is this sloppy? I'm not a mathematician, but I cannot imagine that there's something problematic with this formula. One way to prove it is to use some weak limit, e.g., of Gaussians in the limit of vanishing standard deviations. There the functions factorize, and I don't see why there is a problem with taking the weak limit leading to the factorization of the multi-dimensional ##\delta##-distribution, i.e., like
$$\delta^{(3)}(\vec{x}-\vec{x}_0)=\delta(x-x_0) \delta(y-y_0) \delta(z-z_0).$$
It looks like a product, but it is something else.
 
  • #87
martinbn said:
It looks like a product, but it is something else.
What?
 
  • #88
vanhees71 said:
"You have to do calculations in the Interaction picture. It doesn't exist, but I don't care, just shutup and calculate!" ;-)).
Perhaps it doesn't exist by a mathematician's definition of "exists", but it exists by a physicist's definition. If it gives good results, then it exists. And if its existence contradicts certain axioms, then so much worse for the axioms. :smile:
 
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Demystifier said:
What?
The Dirac delta on a different space of test funtions.
 
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  • #90
martinbn said:
It looks like a product, but it is something else.
It is not the undefined (point-wise) product of distributions. It is the well-defined direct product of distributions which is commutative and associative: \delta^{3}(\vec{x}) = \left( \delta (x_{1}) \delta (x_{2})\right) \ \delta (x_{3}) = \delta (x_{1}) \ \left( \delta (x_{2}) \delta (x_{3})\right), or \delta^{3}(\vec{x}) = \delta^{2} (x_{1} , x_{2}) \ \delta (x_{3}) = \delta (x_{1}) \ \delta^{2}(x_{2} ,x_{3}).
 
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  • #91
Demystifier said:
Perhaps it doesn't exist by a mathematician's definition of "exists", but it exists by a physicist's definition. If it gives good results, then it exists. And if its existence contradicts certain axioms, then so much worse for the axioms. :smile:
Again, it exists after doing some regularization and taking the appropriate weak limit at the end of the calcultion. One most simple way is to introduce a finite spatial "quantization volume" and imposing periodic spatial boundary conditions for the fields. For a through treatment about the "irrelevance" of Haag's theorem FAPP, see

A. Duncan, The conceptual framework of quantum field
theory, Oxford University Press, Oxford (2012).
 
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martinbn said:
The Dirac delta on a different space of test funtions.
What do you mean by that. Of course a "3D ##\delta## distribution" is a linear form on some corresponding test-function space, e.g,. ##C_0^{\infty}(\mathbb{R}^3)##. I really don't see any problem with this kind of "product". At least it works FAPP. E.g., you need it to express it in terms of non-Cartesian coordinates, like
$$\delta^{(3)}(\vec{x}-\vec{x}')=\frac{1}{r^2 \sin \vartheta} \delta(r-r') \delta(\vartheta-\vartheta') \delta(\varphi-\varphi')$$
for spherical coordinates. Here of course you have to be careful with the coordinate singularity along the polar axis.
 
  • #93
samalkhaiat said:
It is not the undefined (point-wise) product of distributions. It is the well-defined direct product of distributions which is commutative and associative: \delta^{3}(\vec{x}) = \left( \delta (x_{1}) \delta (x_{2})\right) \ \delta (x_{3}) = \delta (x_{1}) \ \left( \delta (x_{2}) \delta (x_{3})\right), or \delta^{3}(\vec{x}) = \delta^{2} (x_{1} , x_{2}) \ \delta (x_{3}) = \delta (x_{1}) \ \delta^{2}(x_{2} ,x_{3}).

vanhees71 said:
What do you mean by that. Of course a "3D ##\delta## distribution" is a linear form on some corresponding test-function space, e.g,. ##C_0^{\infty}(\mathbb{R}^3)##. I really don't see any problem with this kind of "product". At least it works FAPP. E.g., you need it to express it in terms of non-Cartesian coordinates, like
$$\delta^{(3)}(\vec{x}-\vec{x}')=\frac{1}{r^2 \sin \vartheta} \delta(r-r') \delta(\vartheta-\vartheta') \delta(\varphi-\varphi')$$
for spherical coordinates. Here of course you have to be careful with the coordinate singularity along the polar axis.

Of course you can do that, but it is sloppy and produces a distribution on a different space. The question in this thread was to give an example of a nonlocal quantum field, which is supposed to be a function/distribution on space-time, not on the product of two copies of space-time.
 
  • #94
martinbn said:
nonlocal quantum field ... is supposed to be a function/distribution on space-time, not on the product of two copies of space-time.
Who said that?
 
  • #95
What do you mean by "it produces a distribution on a different space". There is a space of test functions, e.g., ##C_0^{\infty}(\mathbb{R}^3)##, and there the distribution ##\delta(x)\delta(y)\delta(z)## is defined by its action on a member of this test-function space. Of course, it's not defined as a "point-wise product". A "point-wise" interpretation of a distribution doesn't make sense to begin with. As @samalkhaiat said, it's a "direct" (or tensor) product.
 
  • #96
Demystifier said:
Who said that?
That's what a local quantum field is. A distribution on spacetime satisfying some axioms. If you ask for a nonlocal one, it has to be the same type of object, that doesn't satisfy these axioms. Otherwise you can literary give anything as an example. Say here is the equations of a parabola ##y=x^2##, this is not a local quantum field, thus it is what you are looking for!
 
  • #97
A definition is a definition. There's not much to argue about it, and @Demystifier gave examples of "non-loacal operators" early on in this thread. I'm a bit lost, about what we are discussing, agreeing, or disagreeing.
 
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  • #98
martinbn said:
That's what a local quantum field is. A distribution on spacetime satisfying some axioms. If you ask for a nonlocal one, it has to be the same type of object, that doesn't satisfy these axioms. Otherwise you can literary give anything as an example. Say here is the equations of a parabola ##y=x^2##, this is not a local quantum field, thus it is what you are looking for!
Intuitively, a nonlocal field is something that should have the following properties:
(i) It is an operator that acts on the same vector space as the local field ##O(x)##.
(ii) It cannot be associated with one point ##x##.
Perhaps the best example of a nonlocal field (best in the sense that mathematical physicists frequently use it) is a smeared operator
$$O(f)=\int dx\, O(x)f(x)$$
where ##f(x)## is a smearing function.
 
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  • #99
Demystifier said:
Intuitively, a nonlocal field is something that should have the following properties:
(i) It is an operator that acts on the same vector space as the local field ##O(x)##.
(ii) It cannot be associated with one point ##x##.
Perhaps the best example of a nonlocal field (best in the sense that mathematical physicists frequently use it) is a smeared operator
$$O(f)=\int dx\, O(x)f(x)$$
where ##f(x)## is a smearing function.
This is also true for the local ones. That is why they are distributions, not functions.
 
  • #100
vanhees71 said:
A definition is a definition. There's not much to argue about it, and @Demystifier gave examples of "non-loacal operators" early on in this thread. I'm a bit lost, about what we are discussing, agreeing, or disagreeing.
And what is the definition of a local field? So far no one answered that. An example was given, then i asked is every local field of that type, no one answered. In the article nothing along these lines was said. So, can anyone give the definition and a reference?
 
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