Understanding Matrices and GL(n,R) Functions

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The discussion revolves around understanding the mathematical concepts related to matrices, specifically 2 by 2 matrices and the general linear group GL(n, R). Participants explore the implications of identifying matrix spaces with R^4 and the notation used in derivatives of functions defined on GL(n, R).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks what it means to identify the space of all 2 by 2 matrices with R^4, suggesting that a 2 by 2 matrix is defined by four numbers corresponding to a point in R^4.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the notation df_{A_0} and its relationship to the variable X in the context of derivatives.
  • It is noted that the derivative of a function is a linear function, with a participant stating that the derivative in this case is df(X) = -X.
  • Participants discuss the flexibility in how to read off entries of a matrix, indicating that there are multiple valid approaches to identifying matrix spaces with R^{mn}.
  • One participant reflects on the notation used for the derivative, comparing it to the squaring function and questioning the necessity of including X when evaluating the derivative at A_0.
  • A later reply clarifies that the notation df_{A_0} is understood to represent the directional derivative of f at the point X with respect to A_0.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the notation and concepts discussed, indicating that there is no consensus on the interpretation of df_{A_0} and its relation to X.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the notation and its implications, particularly regarding the inclusion of X in the derivative expression. There are also differing opinions on how to interpret the reading of matrix entries.

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Two things:

1) If we say that the space of all 2 by 2 matrices is identified with R^4, what does that mean?

2) Suppose f is a function from GL(n, R) to GL(n, R) (the space of all real n by n invertible matrices) identified with [tex]\mathbb{R}^{n^2}[/tex] I am asked to prove that [tex]df_{A_0} (X) = -X[/tex] where [tex]A_0[/tex] is the identity matrix. My question is, [tex]df_{A_0}[/tex] would usually denote that derivative of f at the point [tex]A_0[/tex], so where does that (X) part come into play?

I know that I should be asking my prof this, but I want to do these homework questions before my next class (Wednesday), so it would be great if you guys could help me out.
 
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For the first question: a (real) 2 by 2 marix is specified by four numbers, which defines a point in R^4.

Second question: I am not familiar with the notation.
 
For the second question: The derivative of a function is a linear function. In this case the question is asking you to prove that the linear function that the derivative is is the function df(X)=-X
 
OfficerShredder, I was thinking that. But usually my prof would use the notation [tex]df_{A_0}[/tex] to denote the derivative of f at [tex]A_0[/tex]. Why add in the extra [tex](X)[/tex] ?

And mathman, do I read off the entries of the matrix row by row or column by column
 
In case it helps, OfficerShredder, f is defined by [tex]f(A) = A^{-1}[/tex] if [tex]A \in GL(n,r)[/tex]
 
JG89 said:
And mathman, do I read off the entries of the matrix row by row or column by column
That's up to you. You can identify the space of nxm-matrices with R^{mn} in a lot (namely (nm)!) of ways, there's not really a preferred way.
 
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OfficerShredder, I was thinking that. But usually my prof would use the notation [tex]df_{A_0}[/tex] to denote the derivative of f at [tex]A_0[/tex]. Why add in the extra [tex](X)[/tex] ?

And mathman, do I read off the entries of the matrix row by row or column by column
For the same reason that to talk about the "squaring function" we say [itex]f(x)= x^2[/itex] rather than just "[itex]f= ( )^2[/itex]". A function is defined by what it does to values of x.
 
I'm still not getting it. In my prof's usual notation [tex]df_{A_0}[/tex] would mean the derivative of f at [tex]A_0[/tex]. If you write it using the prime notation, [tex]df_{A_0} = f'(A_0)[/tex]. I still don't see why you would need the matrix [tex]X[/tex] when we're evaluating the derivative function at the point [tex]A_0[/tex]
 
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lol nevermind guys. I totally forgot that my proof uses that notation to mean the directional derivative of f at the point X with respect to A_0
 

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