Understanding Phase Space and Building It

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The discussion centers on the concept of phase space, its definition, and the methods for constructing it. Participants explore its mathematical and physical implications, as well as its application in various contexts such as chaos theory.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests an explanation of phase space and its construction.
  • Another participant defines phase space as a mathematical construct that combines position and speed of an object.
  • A further contribution explains that phase space describes a physical system, represented by coordinates in a multidimensional space.
  • A participant introduces Liouville's Theorem, suggesting that phase space represents a conserved area related to the motion of particles.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the independence of parameters in phase space, seeking confirmation on whether coordinates are constituted by independent parameters.
  • Another participant affirms that phase space is generally constructed with independent variables but notes that in chaos theory, the independence of variables may not always apply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of phase space and its relation to independent variables, but there is a lack of consensus regarding the necessity of independence in all cases, particularly in chaotic systems.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific interpretations of independence and dimensionality in phase space, which may vary based on the context of the physical system being discussed.

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Could anyone explain me what a phase space is and how we can build it??

Thanks in advance.
 
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Phase space is a mathematical construct combining the position and the speed of an object in the same diagram.
 
In mathematics a "space" is the name given to the range of values that a set of variables can take. A 2D scatter plot for instance is an example of a 2D space, however there is no limit on the number of variables that a space can encompass.

A phase space is a space used to describe a physical system. The state of the physical system can be represented by a coordinate in the phase space.

Claude.
 
Look up Liouville's Theorem in Google. for example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liouville's_theorem_(Hamiltonian )

In simple terms. phase space represents the area (product) of a transverse coordinate x times the slope dx/dz of a large ensemble of particles or rays moving in the z direction, such as a charged particle beam or optical rays (photons). Liouville's Theorem states that the area (product of x and dx/dz) is conserved as the ensemble of particles evolves.

Bob S
 
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Thanks for all your answers!
I also read a lot of stuff on the internet (amid them Liouville's theorem: even if I didn't understand everything it helped me a lot).
I retained that the coordinates of a phase space are constituted by INDEPENDENT parameters of the system (is that right?).

Thanks again.

Penguin007
 
Generally speaking, yes, you would construct a phase space with independent variables as it yields the phase space with fewest dimensions.

Technically though the variables do not have to be independent. Chaos theorists for example sometimes work with systems where the number of independent variables (the dimension of the phase space) is unknown.

Claude.
 

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