Understanding Potential Energy in QM

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The discussion focuses on the conceptual understanding of potential energy in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of Schrödinger's equation and its application to electrons in a wire. Participants explore the physical meaning of potential wells, variations in potential energy, and the implications for electron behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the significance of potential energy terms in Schrödinger's equation and seeks an intuitive understanding of potential wells.
  • Another participant suggests that the potential energy profile can vary due to electric fields, drawing parallels to classical electricity and magnetism.
  • A participant questions whether the potential energy profile is solely due to the superposition of electric fields from surrounding charges, particularly in relation to finite square wells and tunneling barriers.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of constant potential energy values in barriers and their relation to material properties like the work function.
  • Some participants note that the rounded potential well is a more accurate depiction of electron behavior in a wire, but they seek clarification on why this is the case.
  • It is mentioned that potential wells are approximations and that real potentials can differ significantly, yet studying these approximations can provide insights into conductors and lattices.
  • One participant argues that the periodicity of the potential in a lattice justifies the use of square wells for each ion, suggesting that the potential is low at specific lattice points and high elsewhere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the nature of potential energy in quantum mechanics. There is no consensus on the best model for potential wells, and multiple competing views regarding the interpretation and implications of potential energy profiles remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the discussion involves approximations and that real potentials can be significantly different from the models being discussed. The limitations of the models and the dependence on specific conditions or definitions are acknowledged but not resolved.

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Hi all,

I'm having conceptual troubles understanding the significance of the potential energy term in Schrödinger's equation. More specifically, the physical meaning of the potential "wells" is not clicking with me; my textbook is not making this very clear.

For clarity, consider an electron in some wire that has a potential energy function that is not constant throughout the length and non-zero. How exactly can I interpret this? Does this curve characterize the potential energy of the electron at any point in the wire? What could cause this potential energy to vary with position, and how does that physically affect the electron?

An overall conceptual understanding of the potential energy for an electron in a well would be much appreciated, as I am quite confused on how to understand these curves intuitively.
 
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leinadle said:
For clarity, consider an electron in some wire that has a potential energy function that is not constant throughout the length and non-zero. How exactly can I interpret this? Does this curve characterize the potential energy of the electron at any point in the wire? What could cause this potential energy to vary with position, and how does that physically affect the electron?

Do you already have a clear understanding of classical electricity and magnetism, and especially Maxwell's equations? This part of QM is just like classical E&M - the potential will vary from one point to another if there is an electric field.
 
Nugatory said:
Do you already have a clear understanding of classical electricity and magnetism, and especially Maxwell's equations? This part of QM is just like classical E&M - the potential will vary from one point to another if there is an electric field.

On an introductory level, yes. Are you saying the potential energy profile is solely due to the superposition of electric fields from surrounding charges? I guess my confusion with that is the sudden jumps that I'm seeing in the potential energy for finite square wells and the tunneling barriers. When an electron is in the barrier, for example, what is that constant potential energy value relative to? For a cut wire, would that just be the work function for whatever the wire is made of?

We're only talking about the 1D non-rigid box model in my class (electron in a wire), so I think my confusion stems from not knowing how we can have different potential setups for this scenario. Specifically, why exactly would the rounded potential well be a more accurate depiction of an electron in a wire? How would a higher potential near the ends be more appropriate?

These questions are probably very obvious to you, but I just want to make sure that I have a solid foundation.
 
These are approximations. Real potentials are very different. But you can learn a lot about the physics of conductors and lattices by studying such approximate potentials.
 
K^2 said:
These are approximations. Real potentials are very different. But you can learn a lot about the physics of conductors and lattices by studying such approximate potentials.

So what makes the rounded square well a better approximation? Why is it sensible to have the potential start to vary near the edges rather than stay zero?
 
It all depends on your models. Typically, potential wells are a decent model for a lattice. You have ions located at specific points on the lattice, which means the potential is going to be low there and high everywhere else. Because the most critical feature is the periodicity of the potential, square well for each ion makes sense.
 

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