Understanding SF6 Gas Pressure and Phase Changes in Industrial Cylinders

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of SF6 gas in industrial gas cylinders, particularly focusing on the phase changes between liquid and gas states under varying pressure conditions. Participants explore the implications of pressure changes on the state of SF6, including the effects of temperature and energy transfer.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the composition of SF6 in the cylinder as 70-80% liquid and the rest gas, questioning how liquid SF6 transitions to gas at a constant temperature when pressure decreases.
  • Another participant suggests that at room temperature, the gas/liquid mixture must be at about 22 bar, indicating that as gas is released, the pressure drops and the system reaches equilibrium by boiling some liquid into gas.
  • A later reply notes that the cylinders are maintained at a higher pressure than indicated on the graph, implying that the SF6 is kept as a compressed liquid rather than a mixture.
  • One participant discusses energy transfer, stating that the extra gas at the same temperature as the liquid gains energy from its surroundings, which may lead to negligible cooling of the liquid due to latent heat factors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the pressure conditions within the cylinders and the state of SF6, with some suggesting it is a mixture while others argue it is a compressed liquid. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the SF6 state under the described conditions.

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The discussion includes assumptions about pressure and temperature relationships, as well as the effects of energy transfer, which are not fully resolved. The implications of latent heat and the specific pressure values referenced may vary based on definitions and conditions not explicitly stated.

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I'm trying to get my head around a concept.

We use Industrial Gas cylinders filled with SF6 gas - the gas cylinder is 70-80% liquid and the rest is in a gaseous state.

If this is kept at a pressure of approx 40Bar and is passed through a regulator that allows the gas to be filled into a containment unit at 1bar -

How does the liquid SF6 become a gas when kept at the same temperature? Obviously the pressure inside the cylinder will decrease as the gas is released.

I realize the liquid freezes if the pressure drop inside the cylinder is too fast.

The pressure curve is as follows.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4661/sf6pressuretempliq.jpg

Datasheet available here:
http://www.solvaychemicals.com/docroot/fluor/static_files/attachments/sf6_e.pdf
 
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40 bar is off the top of the graph...at room temperature the gas/liquid mixture must be at about 22 bar. And as you release some, the pressure drops and you go from the border of the liquid/gas region into the gas region, so some liquid boils until you get back to equilibrium.
 
Thanks,

Inside the cylinders we keep them at a higher pressure when compared to that graph
 
The extra gas is at same temperature as liquid but has gained energy from its suroundings. The liquid will have cooled very slightly but this is compensated by gaining some heat (energy) from the cylinder case and then from the environment. (energy is conserved)
The latent heat factor may be such that temporary cooling of liquid not measurable in the practical situation.
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Ian_Brooks said:
Thanks,

Inside the cylinders we keep them at a higher pressure when compared to that graph
So then you keep it as a compressed liquid, not a mixture?
 

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