Understanding Solid Fuel Rockets: Tail or Head, What's Best?

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The discussion centers on the functioning of solid fuel rockets, specifically addressing the initiation of the combustion reaction, the mechanics of pressure generation for propulsion, and the factors influencing rocket flight. Participants explore various aspects of solid rocket design and the physics involved in rocket propulsion.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the starting point of the combustion reaction in solid fuel rockets, suggesting a need for clarity on whether it should begin at the tail or head.
  • Another participant asserts that the burn must start at the tail to prevent catastrophic failure, explaining the differences between hollow core and solid core designs.
  • A participant questions how sufficient pressure is generated for flight, positing that gases escape immediately upon creation, potentially leading to a lack of pressure concentration.
  • Responses clarify that rocket propulsion is based on Newton's third law, emphasizing the reaction force from escaping gases rather than pressure alone.
  • One participant elaborates on the pressure dynamics within the rocket, noting that pressure is balanced on all sides except at the back, leading to forward motion.
  • Another participant highlights the need for the force generated by the rocket to exceed gravitational force for successful flight, introducing the concept of pressure force in relation to gravity.
  • Technical details are provided regarding the transformation of solid propellant to gas and the resulting high-velocity gas ejection from the nozzle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mechanics of rocket propulsion and the necessity of starting the burn at the tail. However, there is ongoing discussion regarding the role of pressure in generating thrust and the conditions required for overcoming gravitational forces, indicating some uncertainty and differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express assumptions about pressure dynamics and the relationship between thrust and gravitational forces, which may not be fully resolved. The discussion also touches on the complexities of solid rocket design and the physics involved, which may depend on specific definitions and contexts.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying rocketry, physics students exploring propulsion concepts, and hobbyists involved in model rocketry.

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Can someone explain me how solid fuel rockets works?
Where should I start the reaction, at the tail or at the head? What fuel is the best?
 
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The burn would start at the tail of course. If the burn started at the head, the pressure would blow the remaining solid propellant out, or it would simply blow the rocket apart.

Solid rocket fuel implies the fuel is solid form. The propellant contains an intimate mixture of fuel and oxidizer, and perhaps some amount of inert material.

There are two designs depending on size, hollow core and solid core. Solid core would be small rockets, and burns from bottom to top. This designs results in high heat load on the shell containing the propellant, hence it is limited in application.

The hollow core solid rocket burns from the inside to outside with the gases blasting down the core. This is the design used in solid rocket booster of the shuttle.

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/SPACEFLIGHT/solids/SP13.htm

The propellant mixture in each SRB motor consists of an ammonium perchlorate (oxidizer, 69.6 percent by weight), aluminum (fuel, 16 percent), iron oxide (a catalyst, 0.4 percent), a polymer (a binder that holds the mixture together, 12.04 percent), and an epoxy curing agent (1.96 percent).
http://www.space-shuttle.com/srb.htm

WARNING! Do not make this at home or without supervision. Working with perchlorates is extremely dangerous if one is inexperienced, and likely such activity requires a license.
 
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Thank you for your reply.
The burn would start at the tail of course.
But how is enough pressure generated to make the rocket fly? In my opinion the gasses leave the rocket tank the moment they are created, so there is no pressure concentration.
 
The principle of rocket propulsion doesn't rely upon pressure as you seem to think of it. It's the Newtonian reaction force to the escaping gas that moves the motor forward.
 
Yes, the gases that are ejected have mass. Since every force has an equal and opposite reaction, the rocket is pushed forward.
 
In terms of pressure, you can think of it like this: Pressure is applied by the gases to all the sides of the rocket. However since pressure on one side is balanced by pressure on another side, this results in no net force. Pressure is also applied to the forward of the rocket, but this is not balanced by any pressure being applied to the back of the rocket (there's nothing to apply it to...its just a hole). The imbalance in pressure causes the rocket to go forward.
 
Yes I understand.
But there is olso the gravity force you need beat. The gasses must get out of the rocket with force greater then mg.

I made a drawing to illustrate it.
rocket2.jpg

(btw what is the letter for pressure force)

pressure=(-pressure) (action reaction)
-pressure is the reaction of the force of the pressure.
As you can see in order to make the rocket fly the pressure force must be grater than the the gravity force.
 
Yes the propelleant turns from solid to gas, and the gas travels at high velocity out of the nozzle. The gas atoms are initially at rest in the solid (more or less), and then the molecular bonds are disrupted and the chemical energy goes into heating up the gas (several thousand K). The gas then leaves the rocket chamber at high velocities on the order of several thousand feet per second (i.e. supersonic flow).

Force = Pressure x Area, and also F = dp/dt, where p is momentum = mv.

See also - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_fuel

http://exploration.grc.nasa.gov/education/rocket/rktth1.html

To accelerate, the force generated by the rocket motor must exceed Mg, where M is the mass of the rocket, including propellant (which is decreasing with burn time), and g is acceleration of gravity. Also, as the rocket speed increases in the atmosphere, the air resistance also increases until the rocket travels upward to where the air density is greatly decreased.
 

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