Understanding Span, Basis, and Dimension to Linear Algebra Concepts

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The discussion revolves around understanding the concepts of span, basis, and dimension in linear algebra. Participants seek clarification on how to determine if a set of vectors spans a region, how to find a basis for the kernel of a linear map, and how to identify a basis for the range of the same map. The scope includes theoretical understanding and practical application related to linear algebra concepts.

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  • One participant asks how to determine if a set of vectors spans a region, suggesting the use of arbitrary numbers and examining the type of solution (unique, infinite, or none).
  • Another participant confirms that existence is key for a spanning set, noting that uniqueness is not necessary.
  • The first participant inquires about finding a basis for the kernel of a linear map, questioning if the same method applies by setting the matrix to zero.
  • A second participant agrees that one must first find the kernel to proceed with determining the basis.
  • There is a suggestion to use Gaussian elimination to analyze the span of vectors and to find the basis for the image of a matrix.
  • Another participant mentions that the questions posed are commonly found in linear algebra textbooks and suggests a specific book for reference.
  • One participant explains that to check if a vector lies in the span of a matrix's columns, one should add the vector as a column and perform row reduction to see if it becomes a pivot column.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods for determining span and finding bases for the kernel and range, but there is no consensus on the necessity of textbook references or the completeness of the initial inquiry.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of span, basis, and kernel are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the nuances of the methods suggested for finding these concepts.

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I need some help to understand the concepts of span, basis, and dimension.

1-How do you determine if a set of vectors [in matrix form] span a region?
-Do you set the given matrix set to arbitary numbers and see if
there is a unique, infinite, or no solution?
ie, set a 4X4 matrix = to [a b c d] and determine the type of solution?

2. How do you find a basis for the kernel of the linear map L : R^4 goes to
R4 corresponding to multiplication of a given matrix?
-Do you do the same thing as above, but set the given matrix equal to
zero to find the kernal and after you find the kernal, do you find the
basis?

3. How do you find a basis for the range of this same map?
Do you find the range, then the basis?

I think if I understand these concepts, I can do the homework. Any assistance would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
 
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jlucas134 said:
I need some help to understand the concepts of span, basis, and dimension.

1-How do you determine if a set of vectors [in matrix form] span a region?
-Do you set the given matrix set to arbitary numbers and see if
there is a unique, infinite, or no solution?
ie, set a 4X4 matrix = to [a b c d] and determine the type of solution?

Yes, you do. Note that the solution (i.e. representation) doesn't have to be unique if you're talking about a spanning set. existence is important.

jlucas134 said:
2. How do you find a basis for the kernel of the linear map L : R^4 goes to
R4 corresponding to multiplication of a given matrix?
-Do you do the same thing as above, but set the given matrix equal to
zero to find the kernal and after you find the kernal, do you find the
basis?

Of course, you first have to find the kernel, i.e. you have to know what a set looks like in order to do anything with it.
 
these questions are answered in every linear algebra text. indeed this is about all there is to basic concrete linear algebra. do you have a book? e.g. shifrin and adams?
 
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use gaussian elimination.

given a set of vectors in R^n, put them in as either rows or columns in a matrix and row reduce. they did span iff the number of non zeroes rows remaining is n, iff the number of "pivot" columns is n.

to find a basis for the image of a matrix, reduce and take the pivot columns as your basis. use the usual solution procedure on the reduced matrix (back substitution) to write down a basis of the null space or kernel.

to see if a given vector lies in the span of the columns of a matrix, add it as another column, reduce and see if this new last column is a pivot, (if so it is not in the span).
 
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