Understanding Spin States: Theoretical Minimum and Normal Coordinate Systems

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The discussion revolves around the concept of spin states in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the theoretical framework that describes spin-1/2 particles and the use of normal coordinate systems. Participants express confusion regarding the representation of spin states and their directions within this framework.

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  • One participant notes that in "The Theoretical Minimum," all spin states are represented by just two states: up and down, and seeks clarification on how this is achieved.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of the spin states and the reference to a normal coordinate system, indicating a need for further explanation.
  • A different participant explains that the spin value of 1/2 and the two spin states arise from the Dirac equation, mentioning that spin-up and spin-down are chosen as they are the eigenstates of energy in a magnetic field along the z-direction, but emphasizes that all spin directions can be expressed as linear combinations of these states.
  • One participant proposes an analogy where spin-up and spin-down are likened to vectors pointing in different directions, suggesting that any spin direction can be represented as a combination of these two vectors, while also noting the distinction between abstract vector space and real-world spin direction.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the representation of spin states and their directions. There is no consensus on the clarity of the concepts discussed, and multiple interpretations of the relationship between spin states and coordinate systems are present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the abstract nature of spin states and the potential confusion arising from the terminology used, particularly regarding the representation of directions in vector space versus physical reality.

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In The theoretical Minimum we shown all spins states use just two states up and down. How can we do that.?
I am confused about the directions of states and normal coordinate system Can somebody help me ?
Thanks
 
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Quarlep said:
In The theoretical Minimum
What does that mean?

If you measure the spin direction of a particle with spin 1/2, the only possible measurements are "up" and "down". If the particle has a different spin, the options are different.
Which normal coordinate system?
 
The spin value 1/2 and two spin states drop out of the Dirac equation. Spin-up and spin-down are chosen more or less arbitrarily, because they are the eigenstates of energy in a static magnetic field along the z-direction (theoretical magnetic fields are always along z...). However, they form a complete basis for spin-1/2 particles, and all spin directions can be written as a linear combination of these two basis states.

Therefore you can have spin directions in each and any direction. The theory is perfectly well developed and used e.g. in neutron diffraction.

https://www.ill.eu/en/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d3/how-it-works/spherical-polarimetry-with-cryopad/
 
Quarlep said:
In The theoretical Minimum we shown all spins states use just two states up and down. How can we do that.?

Think of spin-up as a vector pointing east and spin-down as a vector pointing north. We can write any vector as a linear combinations of those two. For example, north-east would be the vector sum of north and east, southeast would be their east minus north, and so forth.

The confusing thing is that the "directions" these vectors point in their abstract vector space isn't the same as the direction that the spin angular momentum vector points in the real world. Spin-up and spin-down are represented by orthogonal vectors in the abstract vector space, even though up and down are opposite directions.
 

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