Understanding Spin Wavefunctions and the Confusion Surrounding Spin 3/2 States

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the properties and interpretations of spin wavefunctions, particularly for spin 3/2 states, and the confusion surrounding the classification of certain states as spin 1. Participants explore the addition of angular momentum in quantum mechanics and the implications for measuring spin values.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the state |\uparrow \uparrow \downarrow \rangle + |\uparrow \downarrow \uparrow \rangle + |\downarrow \uparrow \uparrow \rangle qualifies as a spin 3/2 state, suggesting a misunderstanding of spin addition.
  • Another participant asserts that the states mentioned can be derived from adding two spin 1/2 particles to form spin 1 states, indicating a standard exercise in quantum mechanics.
  • There is a request for clarification on how the states are classified as spin 1, with a focus on the process of adding angular momenta.
  • A participant confirms the existence of three spin-1 states and discusses the implications of the total spin and S_z values for specific states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the classification of certain states and the process of adding angular momenta. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the spin states, and multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the spin 3/2 states and their relation to spin 1 states.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate limitations in their understanding of angular momentum addition as it relates to spin wavefunctions, suggesting a need for further clarification on the topic.

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My lecturer writes:

The spin wavefunctions are symmetric on exchange of spins for the spin 3/2 states. These states include:

[tex]|\uparrow \uparrow \uparrow \rangle[/tex]

and [tex]|\uparrow \uparrow \downarrow \rangle + |\uparrow \downarrow \uparrow \rangle + |\downarrow \uparrow \uparrow \rangle[/tex]

How is the second wavefunction a state for a spin 3/2 particle? I thought the spin is 1/2 + 1/2 - 1/2 = 1, so the measured spin can be 1, 0 or -1?
 
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Start with the spin 1 states that you get from adding two spin 1/2 particles and then add the third, standard excersice in QM

|++>

|+-> + |-+>

|-->

are the three spin 1 states you can build from adding two spin 1/2 particles-

The second state you wrote is the |S, S_z> = |3/2, 1> state
 
How are they spin 1 states though? How do you figure that out from those states?
 
barnflakes said:
How are they spin 1 states though? How do you figure that out from those states?

Have you done adding angular momenta in your QM class yet? yes or no?
 
We did it briefly, just in terms of quantum numbers though, so S = s1 + s2...|s1-s2|, we didn't relate it to the spin wavefunctions like the ones you have mentioned.
 
ok, there are three spin-1 states - do you agree?

do you also agree that |+-> + |-+> has S_z = 0?

and total spin

S^2 = (S_1 + S_2)^2 on that state gives s(s+1) = 1(1+1) = 2

as eigenvalue.

S^2 on |+-> + |-+> gives 0, right?
 

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