Understanding Spring Forces: Net Force and Spring Scale Readings

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The discussion revolves around understanding spring forces, specifically in the context of a spring scale placed on a frictionless surface with opposing horizontal forces applied. Participants are exploring the concepts of net force and the readings on the spring scale.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the calculation of net force and the reading on the spring scale, with some suggesting that the net force should consider the direction of the applied forces. Others are reflecting on the implications of compressing a spring with equal and opposite forces.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. There is a mix of agreement and uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the forces involved and the behavior of the spring scale.

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Some participants express confusion about the mechanics of spring compression and the relationship between the applied forces and the spring scale reading. The nature of the forces and their directions is a focal point of the discussion.

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I just want to quickly check something. A spring scale lies horizontally on a frictionless surface. A horizontal force of 10 N to the right is applied to the top of the scale and another horizontal force of 10 N to the left is applied to the bottom.

1. The net force is ___ obviously 20 N

2. The reading on the spring scale will read ___ I am inclined to think that it would only be 10 N. The situation would be the same if the spring was attached to a wall. Am I right? Afterall, they wouldn't ask the same question twice
 
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turdferguson said:
1. The net force is ___ obviously 20 N
This is incorrect. Rethink this: what's the net force on the spring scale? Recall that forces are vectors--direction counts.

2. The reading on the spring scale will read ___ I am inclined to think that it would only be 10 N. The situation would be the same if the spring was attached to a wall. Am I right?
Yes, you are right. The spring scale reads the tension in the spring, which is 10 N.
 
Doc Al said:
This is incorrect. Rethink this: what's the net force on the spring scale? Recall that forces are vectors--direction counts.


Yes, you are right. The spring scale reads the tension in the spring, which is 10 N.

I saw this question before and it got me thinking, I do not really understand it. The spring is being compressed by two forces. Now if the reading is based on the fact that two equal and opposite forces will always act on the spring and then it takes the size of these forces that is okay.

I still cannot seem to get over the fact that there are two 10N forces compressing the spring.
 
ponjavic said:
I still cannot seem to get over the fact that there are two 10N forces compressing the spring.
If you can figure out a way to compress (or stretch) a spring by pushing (or pulling) on one end only, I'd like to see it. (Won't happen!)

The spring scale measures the degree of compression (or elongation) which is proportional to the compression force (or stretching force).
 
Doc Al said:
If you can figure out a way to compress (or stretch) a spring by pushing (or pulling) on one end only, I'd like to see it. (Won't happen!)

The spring scale measures the degree of compression (or elongation) which is proportional to the compression force (or stretching force).
That's actually what I was trying to do :D
 

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