Understanding State Space Representation for First-Order Dynamic Systems

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The discussion revolves around understanding the state space representation and transfer function of a first-order dynamic system defined by a specific differential equation. Participants are exploring the implications of the equation, particularly the introduction of the output variable y(t) and its relationship to the state variable x(t).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a differential equation for a first-order dynamic system and attempts to derive the transfer function and state space representation.
  • There is confusion regarding the introduction of the output variable y(t) and its definition, as it was not mentioned in the original problem statement.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the source of y(t) and question whether additional context or information is missing from the problem.
  • A later reply suggests that the variable in the differential equation might be more appropriately represented as y rather than x, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem's formulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the introduction of y(t) is unclear and that there may be missing information in the problem statement. However, no consensus is reached regarding the correct interpretation of the variables involved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the problem statement, particularly regarding the definition and role of y(t) in relation to the state variable x(t). The discussion highlights the potential for misinterpretation based on variable naming conventions.

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Homework Statement



A first-order dynamic system is represented by the differential equation,

[tex]5\frac{dx(t)}{dt} + x(t) = u(t).[/tex]

Find the corresponding transfer function and state space reprsentation.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Putting the equation in the Laplace domain yields,

[tex]5sX(s) + X(s) = U(s)[/tex]

[tex]\Rightarrow G(s) = \frac{X(s)}{U(s)} = \frac{1}{1+5s}[/tex]

For the state space equations,

[tex]\frac{dx(t)}{dt} = -0.2x(t) + 0.2u(t)[/tex]

The answer they provide is,

[tex]\frac{dx(t)}{dt} = -0.2x(t) + 0.5u(t), \quad y(t) = 0.4x(t)[/tex]

How did they 0.5u(t) and how did they know that y(t) = 0.4x(t)?

Thanks again!
 
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Bump, can someone please clarify this for me?
 
Hi jeques. I don't know if I can help to clarify your problem. The definition of the first-order system made no mention of y(t), so it's a mystery to me where it came from at the end! Is there something missing from the problem statement that might tie-in with y(t)?
 
gneill said:
Hi jeques. I don't know if I can help to clarify your problem. The definition of the first-order system made no mention of y(t), so it's a mystery to me where it came from at the end! Is there something missing from the problem statement that might tie-in with y(t)?

Here's the question. (see attached)
 

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Hmm. Nope, that doesn't help me :frown: The transfer function bit is clear enough, but I don't "get" the introduction of the y(t) stuff. I'll see if I can find someone who recognizes the problem type.
 
Upon reflection and discussion with another Homework Helper, it occurred to me that the problem would make more sense to me if the variable used in the dynamic system differential equation was y rather than x.

Is it possible that we should take the given system D.E. to represent the form of the equation describing the system rather than an equation of the state variables?
 

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