Understanding Stellar Lifespans: Comparing Luminosity & Mass

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The discussion revolves around the factors influencing stellar lifespans, particularly focusing on the relationship between a star's luminosity and mass. Participants explore theoretical frameworks and empirical formulas to estimate how long one star might live compared to another based on these characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using stellar evolution simulations for precise calculations of stellar lifespans, while also mentioning an approximate scaling based on mass.
  • Another participant proposes a formula for stellar lifespan that inversely relates to mass, indicating that more massive stars have shorter lifetimes due to increased luminosity.
  • A correction is raised regarding the mass-luminosity relationship, with a different exponent suggested for the scaling of stellar lifetimes.
  • Further discussion highlights variations in the mass-luminosity index depending on the mass range of stars, noting that low-mass stars behave differently than high-mass stars in terms of fusion processes.
  • One participant emphasizes the complexity of measuring a star's lifespan due to its continuous activity and elemental composition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct formula for estimating stellar lifespans, indicating that there is no consensus on the precise relationship between mass and luminosity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to quantify these relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions and conditions related to the formulas used, including the dependence on mass ranges and the nature of stellar activity, which may affect the accuracy of lifespan estimates.

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Hi, all how would you go about finding out how much longer a star would live compared to another if you knew the one star was x times more luminous and y times more massive?
 
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For a precise result, you would use a stellar evolution simulation to calculate the result numerically. For an approximate result, you can use an order of magnitude scaling for how long stars live---which is determined primarily by its mass.

\tau \sim 10^{10} \textrm{ yrs} \left( \frac{M}{M_\odot}\right)^{-3}

*The more massive the star, the (much) shorter its lifetime is, because its luminosity increases rapidly.

Depending on the mass range, the exponent can range somewhat (between about 2 and 3), but this is the general scaling. If you're curious about how to derive it, its based on a few simple assumptions---namely, the temperature of the star is determined by equipartition (i.e. its 'virialized'), the luminosity is thermal, and the amount of fuel is linearly related to the mass of the star.
 
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I think you inverted M/Msolar, zhermes. The customary formula is
10^10 x 1/M^2.5 where M is in solar masses
re: http://mais-ccd-spectroscopy.com/Stellar%20Evolution%20Lesson.pdf
 
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Chronos said:
I think you inverted M/Msolzhermes.

Oh, damn. Thanks Chronos!
 
Chronos said:
I think you inverted M/Msolar, zhermes. The customary formula is
10^10 x 1/M^2.5 where M is in solar masses
re: http://mais-ccd-spectroscopy.com/Stellar%20Evolution%20Lesson.pdf

The mass-luminosity index is more like 4.75 for stars from 0.7-2.0 times the Sun's mass. Very low mass stars are more convective than such Sun-like stars, and so fuse more of their fusion fuel during the Main Sequence. At the other end of the scale the index is more like 3, and high-mass stars live very rapidly indeed - typically just a few million years. Interestingly they ramp up in core temperature and fuse their way through heavier elements with very little change.
 
Stars are having gases like hydrogen and helium as their elemental compositions.They are continiously active in their core region.The life of star is dependent on this activity and quite difficult to measure it.
 

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