Understanding the Amount of Substance in Physical Objects

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The discussion centers around the concept of "amount of substance" in relation to physical objects and particles, exploring definitions, examples, and hypothetical scenarios. Participants examine the distinctions between objects and amounts of substance, as well as the implications of quantifying different types of particles.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that physical objects and the amount of substance are fundamentally different concepts, questioning the coherence of the initial inquiry.
  • Others express uncertainty about how to categorize various particles, including those without mass, charge, or spin, and whether all quantifiable entities can be considered amounts of substance.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the original question, suggesting possible interpretations related to the nature of particles and their contributions to mass.
  • Hypothetical mathematical expressions involving moles of different entities are presented, prompting discussion on the validity of these expressions.
  • One participant explains the mole as a unit that quantifies a specific number of objects, noting that while it is theoretically possible to discuss moles of photons, the isolation of quarks complicates the concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the definitions and implications of "amount of substance" and the nature of particles.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unclear definitions of terms used in the discussion, varying interpretations of the concept of amount of substance, and unresolved questions about the quantification of certain particles.

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An object is an object, amount of substance is amount of substance, these are completely different things. Your question doesn't make sense.

You could as well ask what color is sweet, or whether sand is a chicken.
 
I don't know how call those things, some haven't mass, charge, spin and maybe still volume! In other words, all the particles (incluinding the photon), every what is possible quantify, are amount of substance?
 
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Jhenrique said:
I don't know how call those things, some haven't mass, charge, spin and maybe still volume! In other words, all the particles (incluinding the photon), every what is possible quantify, are amount of substance?

We are having a lot of problems parsing your sentences in this question. Are you asking more like one of these?

-1- Are the particles listed on those pages all that there are. Could there be other particles?

-2- Is everything in the universe made up of those particles?

-3- Is the mass of an object made up of the masses of those elementary particles in the object?

...Or some other variation? Can you give a more detailed explanation of what you are trying to ask?
 
Mole is just an overgrown dozen - just like dozen holds 12 objects, mole holds 6.02×1023 objects. So technically yes, we can talk about mole of photons. Whether it is possible to have a mole (or several) of strange quarks is another question. Quarks are never found in isolation.
 
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