Understanding the Contravariant Derivative: A Tangential and Normal Perspective

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the contravariant derivative, particularly in relation to the covariant derivative. Participants explore definitions, properties, and implications of the contravariant derivative, including its relationship with metric compatibility and torsion in the context of Riemannian manifolds.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the precise definition of the contravariant derivative and its implications for the connection coefficients \Gamma^{k}_{i,j}.
  • Another participant proposes a definition for the contravariant derivative operator as \nabla^a=g^{ab}\nabla_b, emphasizing the need for metric compatibility.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that while metric compatibility is essential, the connection does not necessarily need to be torsion-free.
  • One participant presents a decomposition of the tangent space at a point in a sub-manifold and proposes that the contravariant derivative could be interpreted as the "normal component" of a given connection, while the covariant derivative represents the "tangential component." They seek validation for this interpretation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and properties of the contravariant derivative, particularly regarding torsion and metric compatibility. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the interpretations presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the connection and the properties of the metric tensor, which may not be universally applicable. The interpretations of tangential and normal components in the context of the derivative are also subject to further clarification.

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So much has been talking about covariant derivative. Anyone knows about contravariant derivative? What is the precise definition and would that give rise to different \Gamma^{k}_{i,j} and other concepts? :rolleyes:
 
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A "contravariant derivative operator" would probably be defined by \nabla^a=g^{ab}\nabla_b, where \nabla_b is a torsion-free derivative operator that is compatible (\nabla_a g_{bc}=0) with a nondegenerate metric g_{ab}.
 
The connection needn't be torsion free, but metric compatibility is essential.

Daniel.
 
Let (M,{\cal T}) be a sub-manifold of a Riemannian manifold (N,{\cal R}) with metric tensor g, If we decompose the tangent space at the point p\in M\subseteq N and accordingly decompose the tangent bundle T_pN=T_pM\circleplus {\tilde T}_pM into tangential to M and normal to M, could we say that the "converiant derivative" is the "tangential component" of the given connection \nabla_X: {\cal X}(N)\mapsto {\cal X}(N) while the "contravariant derivative" is the "normal component" of \nabla_X ?
I mean the "convariant derivative along the vector fileld X" is the projection of \nabla_X onto the tangent space of the submanifold M, while the "contravariant derivative along the vector field X" is the projection of X onto the normal space of the submanifold M in N
I would like to check if the above saying is correct
 
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