Understanding the Difference between Scalar and Dot Product in Tensor Calculus

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The discussion centers on the distinction between scalar and dot products in the context of tensor calculus, particularly as it relates to the metric tensor and its inverse. Participants explore terminology, definitions, and the implications of these concepts within mathematical frameworks.

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  • One participant references a source that distinguishes between dot product and scalar product based on their association with the metric tensor and identity tensor, respectively.
  • Another participant suggests that the dot product involves the metric or its inverse, while the scalar product does not, providing mathematical notation to illustrate this point.
  • A participant questions the standardization of terminology, noting that in some contexts, dot product and scalar product are used interchangeably.
  • Further contributions mention the existence of terms like "inner products," "contractions," and "transvections," indicating a lack of consensus on terminology.
  • One participant expresses satisfaction with the discussion but does not resolve the terminology issue.

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Participants express differing views on the standardization of terminology regarding dot products and scalar products, indicating that multiple competing definitions and interpretations exist.

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The discussion highlights the potential for confusion due to the overlapping use of terms and the context-dependent nature of definitions in tensor calculus.

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Hello all.

In a quite easy to follow short piece by Edmond Bertschinger entitled Introductio to Tensor Calculus for General Relativity on page 6 when speaking of the metric tensor he says, referring to the symbol conventions used in the piece :-

"" We reserve the dot product notation for the metric and inversr metric tensor just as we reserve the angle bracket scalar product notation for the identity tensor---""

In the second case he is referring to the action of the identity tensor on a one form and a vector and in the first case he is referring to the action of the metric and inverse metric tensor on two one forms or two vectors.

What, if any, is the difference between the scalar and dot product.

Thanks. Matheinste
 
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Using the terms given,
the dot product involves the metric or its inverse, whereas the scalar product doesn't.
Maybe some abstract-index-notation will clarify:

\vec V\cdot \vec W=g(\vec V,\vec W)=V^a g_{ab} V^b

\widetilde P\cdot \widetilde Q=g^{-1}(\widetilde P,\widetilde Q)=P_a g^{ab} Q_b

< \widetilde P , \vec V > = P_a \delta^a{}_b V^b = P_b V^b

Note the nature of the "factors" involved the various "products".
 
Thanks for your reply robphy.

Yes I understand the formulae but is the difference in terminology standard. I have seen other places where the terms dot product and scalar product mean the same.

Matheinste.
 
matheinste said:
Thanks for your reply robphy.

Yes I understand the formulae but is the difference in terminology standard. I have seen other places where the terms dot product and scalar product mean the same.

Matheinste.

I don't think it's standard...You even hear of "scalar dot products".
There are also "inner products", "contractions", "transvections"...

A purist might argue with the "overloaded" use of the dot
for use with the metric and with its inverse.
 
Thanks robphy.

I'm happy with that.

Matheinste.
 

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