Understanding the Dot Product and Cross Product in Vector Calculations

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The discussion focuses on the confusion surrounding the operations of dot and cross products in vector calculations, particularly with orthonormal vectors. Participants clarify that the dot product results in a scalar that multiplies a vector, while the cross product produces another vector. It is established that for orthonormal vectors, the dot product between different vectors is zero, simplifying expressions like v1 × v3 + (v1 · v3)v1 to just v1 × v3. The relationship between the vectors is further explored, confirming that v1 × v2 equals v3, leading to the conclusion that v1 × v3 equals -v2. Understanding these relationships helps clarify the operations and their implications in vector mathematics.
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Let B = (v⃗1, v⃗2, v⃗3) be any basis of R3 consisting of perpendicular unit vectors, such that v⃗3 = v⃗1 × v⃗2. Let T(x⃗) = v⃗1 × x⃗ + (v⃗1 · x⃗)v⃗1. Find the B-matrix B of the given linear transformation T from R3 to R3. Interpret T geometrically.
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Could anyone explain the reasoning from step 2 to step 3?

Specifically, I don't understand how to find the product of a cross product and a vector - like (v1 · v2)v1 and (v1 · v3)v1. I'm also confused by v1 × v3 + (v1 · v3)v1 -- is v1 × v3 = v1v3? How would this be added to (v1 · v3)v1?

Thank you.
 
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jolly_math said:
Specifically, I don't understand how to find the product of a cross product and a vector - like (v1 · v2)v1 and (v1 · v3)v1.
There is no cross product and a vector. There is a dot product and a vector. The dot product is just a scalar multiplying the vector.

jolly_math said:
I'm also confused by v1 × v3 + (v1 · v3)v1 -- is v1 × v3 = v1v3? How would this be added to (v1 · v3)v1?
The vectors are orthonormal so ##\vec v_1\cdot \vec v_3=0##. The expression therefore reduces to ##\vec v_1\times\vec v_3##.
 
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Orodruin said:
There is no cross product and a vector. There is a dot product and a vector. The dot product is just a scalar multiplying the vector.
For the second transformation, v1 x v2 = v3, but what does (v1 · v2)v1 equal?
Orodruin said:
The vectors are orthonormal so ##\vec v_1\cdot \vec v_3=0##. The expression therefore reduces to ##\vec v_1\times\vec v_3##.
Why would ##\vec v_1\times\vec v_3## = ##-\vec v_2##?

Thanks.
 
jolly_math said:
but what does (v1 · v2)v1 equal?
What is ##\vec v_1\cdot \vec v_2## if all ##\vec v_i## are orthonormal?

jolly_math said:
Why would v→1×v→3 = −v→2?
Because you know that the ##\vec v_i## form an orthonormal basis and that ##\vec v_1\times\vec v_2=\vec v_3##.
 
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Orodruin said:
What is ##\vec v_1\cdot \vec v_2## if all ##\vec v_i## are orthonormal?
The dot product would be zero, I understand the second transformation now.

Orodruin said:
Because you know that the ##\vec v_i## form an orthonormal basis and that ##\vec v_1\times\vec v_2=\vec v_3##.
I don't have much experience with cross products, does ##\vec v_1\times\vec v_2=\vec v_3## directly lead to ##\vec v_1\times\vec v_3 = -\vec v_2##?
 
jolly_math said:
I don't have much experience with cross products, does ##\vec v_1\times\vec v_2=\vec v_3## directly lead to ##\vec v_1\times\vec v_3 = -\vec v_2##?
Together with the fact that the ##\vec v_i## are orthonormal, yes.
 
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It makes sense now, thank you!