Understanding the Factors Behind Solid Crystal Structures

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The discussion centers around the factors that influence whether a solid adopts a crystalline or amorphous structure, and what determines the specific type of crystalline structure (cubic, tetragonal, hexagonal, trigonal, monoclinic, or triclinic) if a crystalline form is adopted. The scope includes theoretical considerations, mathematical approaches, and examples from materials science.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that amorphous structures are generally not equilibrium structures, while crystalline structures depend on the substance making up the crystal.
  • There is a question about whether a mathematical method exists to determine which solid will take on a particular crystalline structure.
  • One participant notes the difficulty in determining crystal structures mathematically, mentioning that while molecules have limited isomer possibilities, crystal structures can be infinitely varied.
  • Another participant highlights that even simple compositions, like TiO2, can lead to multiple crystal structures, influenced by factors such as temperature and pressure.
  • It is mentioned that predicting crystal structures ab initio for complex systems remains challenging, with some success noted only in simpler systems.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the mathematical determination of crystalline structures, with no consensus on the feasibility of such methods. There are multiple competing views on the factors influencing crystal formation and the complexity of predicting structures.

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Limitations include the difficulty of proving that a given structure is a global minimum and the complexity of the phase behavior of materials, as illustrated by examples like water ice and elemental sulfur.

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Just wondering - What factor decides whether a solid takes up a crystalline structure or an amorphous structure? And if it takes a crystalline structure , what decides if it will be cubic, tetragonal, hexagonal , trigonal, monoclinic or triclinic?
 
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Amorphous structures are generally not equilibrium structures.
The crystal structure depends on the substance making up the crystal just like the molecular structure of gasses depends on the atoms forming the molecules.
 
Do we have a mathematical way of determining that which solid will take what crystalline structure yet?
 
That is still very difficult in the general case. For a molecule, there are usually a limited number of possibilities for the possible structures (isomers) while there are infinitely many possible crystal structures. However, in many cases the structure can be determined when there are only a limited number of reasonable structures using e.g. using ab initio programs, density functional theory.
 
jd12345 said:
Do we have a mathematical way of determining that which solid will take what crystalline structure yet?
Mathematical proofs that a given structure is really a global minimum are notoriously hard. I think even the proof that a regular dense packing of spheres has maximal density was finished only some years ago.
 
Even relatively simple compositions can give rise to several different crystal structures, for example TiO2.

http://ruby.colorado.edu/~smyth/min/tio2.html

Small tweaks of temperature or pressure can lead to changes in the crystal structure. Water ice has a particularly rich phase diagram, or elemental Sulfur.

Predicting ab-initio what crystal structure a certain chemical composition will form is impossible - today - except maybe in some particularly simple systems.
 

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