Understanding the Mathematics Behind the Center of Gravity Problem

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The discussion revolves around understanding the mathematics related to the center of gravity in a balancing problem involving a "skyhook" or belt hanger. Participants are exploring the concept of center of mass and its implications for balance and torque.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the mathematical principles behind the center of gravity as demonstrated in class. Some participants provide definitions and equations related to center of mass, while others express a need for visual aids like free body diagrams to enhance understanding. Questions about forces acting on the system and the conditions for balance are also raised.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering mathematical expressions related to torque and center of mass. There is a mix of interpretations and approaches being explored, with some guidance provided on the relationship between center of mass and torque. However, no consensus has been reached yet.

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There is mention of the instructor's explanation being unclear, which may contribute to the participants' need for further clarification and visual representations. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the forces at play in the balancing scenario.

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I am trying to understand the math for this problem. My instructor did a poor job of explaining it in class.

He took a "skyhook" or belt hanger ( looks like a music note make out of wood)" put a stiff belt on it and balanced it on the edge of a table. He exaplained that the center of gravity of the belt (which was at an angle and leaning under the table) was directly under the base of the belt hanger and that made it balance.

There has to be a mathematical answer to this. Can someone help?
 
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The center of mass is a kind of average position of the mass. In many cases, it is useful to consider the body to be concentrated at the center of mass. Mathematically, the position of the center of mass is

[tex]\frac{\sum{m_{i}}{r_{i}}}{M}[/tex]

[tex]m_{i}[/tex] is the mass of the ith particle and [tex]r_{i}[/tex] is its corresponding position.
 
here is a link to a picture of the problem I am describing.

http://www.uvm.edu/~dahammon/demonstrations/balancingbelt.html
 
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here is a link to a picture of the problem I am describing.

http://www.uvm.edu/~dahammon/demonstrations/balancingbelt.html


If I could get a correct Free body diagram for it, I think I would understand it.

- You should have a force acting upward from the table to the tip of the "belt hanger" and then the belt puts a force on the hanger as well. I suppose it would act at the angle the belt is hanging. Am I missing anything else other than the gravity, which would act on the entire wooden piece?
 
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When you balance something at its center of mass or directly under or over its center of mass, there is no torque. Thats why it doesn't turn. As for the mathematics of it, let's see what information we can get from the situation. We need an expression for the torque. Let's take the horizontal axis as the x axis. the torque would be

[tex]\tau = \sum{m_{i}}g{x_{i}} = g\sum{m_{i}}{x_{i}}[/tex]

Where the [tex]x_{i}[/tex]s are the distances from the fulcrum.
But [tex]\sum{m_{i}}{x_{i}}[/tex] is the total mass [tex]M[/tex] times the position of the center of mass. Since in our case, the position of the center of mass is 0, i.e it is at a distance [tex]x = 0[/tex] from the fulcrum, the torque must be zero.
 

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