Understanding the Metric Tensor to Tensor Products and Basis Vectors

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the metric tensor in relation to basis vectors and tensor products. Participants explore the definitions and relationships between the metric tensor, dot products, and tensor products, delving into both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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  • One participant questions why the metric tensor is considered the dot product of basis vectors, suggesting it should be expressed as the tensor product of two basis vectors.
  • Another participant challenges this notion, asserting that the metric tensor is not the dot product of any vectors and asks for clarification on the definitions of dot product and tensor product.
  • A clarification is made that the original statement referred to basis vectors rather than vectors in general.
  • A participant presents a formal definition of the metric tensor as a bilinear map and discusses its properties, relating it to inner products and providing mathematical expressions involving components of the metric tensor.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the explanation provided by another participant.

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The discussion contains disagreements regarding the interpretation of the metric tensor and its relationship to dot products and tensor products. Multiple competing views remain, and the discussion does not reach a consensus.

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Participants reference definitions and mathematical properties of the metric tensor, but there are unresolved assumptions about the relationships between different types of products and the nature of basis vectors.

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why the metric tensor is the dot product of two basis (co-variants or contra-variants)
if it's a tensor then the metric tensor should be written as the tensor product of two basis (basis of a vector) >>> why ?!
 
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?? The metric tensor is NOT the dot product of any vectors. Where did you get the idea that it was?

In your second sentence you say it is the tensor product of two vectors and ask "why"?

Do you know what a "dot product" and a "tensor product" are?
 
gij= bi.bj
 
The metric tensor is a bilinear map ##g:V\times V\to\mathbb R##. The definition requires it to satisfy a few more conditions. Those other conditions are almost the same as the ones you see in the definition of "inner product", so you could say that g is "almost" an inner product.

The bilinearity allows you to write
$$g(u,v)=g(u^i e_i, v^j e_j) = u^i v^j g(e_i,e_j) = u^i v^j g_{ij},$$ where I have defined ##g_{ij}=g(e_i,e_j)##. These numbers are called the components of g, with respect to the ordered basis ##(e_i)_{i=1}^n##.

The dual ordered basis to ##(e_i)_{i=1}^n## consists of the ##e^i\in V^*## such that ##e^i(e_j)=\delta^i_j##. Note that
$$e^i(u)=e^i(u^je_j) =u^je^i(e_j)=u^j\delta^i_j =u^i.$$ This implies that we have
$$g(u,v)=u^i v^j g_{ij} =e^i(u) e^j(v) g_{ij} = g_{ij} (e^i\otimes e^j)(u,v).$$ This implies that ##g=g_{ij}e^i\otimes e^j##.
 
thank you very very much Fredrik ..
 

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