Understanding the Mystery of Iron: From Physical Size to Water and Human Body

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The discussion revolves around the properties and behaviors of iron and other metals, particularly how they transition from solid forms to soluble states in water and their implications for human health. Participants explore the chemistry behind these processes, the use of iron in dietary supplements, and the effectiveness of products like the "iron fish" in addressing iron deficiency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how solid metals like iron can dissolve in water and be absorbed by the human body, questioning the relationship between physical iron and its soluble forms.
  • Another participant suggests that metals typically become soluble through oxidation or reduction to ionic forms, which are easier to dissolve.
  • There is a discussion about the "iron fish," with some participants asserting that it does not effectively help with iron deficiency, while others question the validity of this claim and refer to studies regarding its use.
  • A participant mentions that elemental iron in products like Total cereal is oxidized in the stomach, making it bioavailable for dietary needs.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of the "iron fish," with references to studies that suggest the evidence for its efficacy is inconclusive.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of the "iron fish" for treating iron deficiency, with some asserting it does not help while others indicate that the evidence is still being evaluated. There is also uncertainty about the process of iron dissolving in water and its implications for human health.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the chemistry involved in the solubility of metals and their bioavailability. There are references to the need for chemical reactions between iron, water, and oxygen, but the specifics of these processes remain unclear to some participants.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the chemistry of metals, their applications in nutrition, and the effectiveness of dietary supplements for iron deficiency.

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The situation has always confused me since primary school. There are elements/metals which are in the form of physical sizes which we can see and touch such as gold, iron, argent etc. How can these metals pass into water or human body? This is very confusing for me. I have heard that there are lots of gold in the ocean and sea waters. And there is strange case with iron with bind all the three cases, physical size, passing into water and organism body. Physical iron is used to treat iron deficiency when used in water. This seems very strange to me. Would you explain these cases?

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Your post is half nonsensical, but I bet what you mean is "how do elements that are in the form of solids become soluble?" - if so, they are typically oxidized (or reduced) to ionic forms, these are more or less easy to dissolve.
 
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Your post is half nonsensical, but I bet what you mean is "how do elements that are in the form of solids become soluble?" - if so, they are typically oxidized (or reduced) to ionic forms, these are more or less easy to dissolve.

Yes, I don't know correct words. But when putting an iron into water how does it instantly become that form? Are that iron and what we take into our body the same? That metal fish solves the iron deficiancy problem.

Thank you.
 
Same element in different forms. No, iron fish doesn't help, although the idea - that it will slowly dissolve in water - is correct. It is not an instant process, it is quite slow and requires a chemical reaction between iron (in metallic form), water and air oxygen.
 
Borek said:
Same element in different forms. No, iron fish doesn't help, although the idea - that it will slowly dissolve in water - is correct. It is not an instant process, it is quite slow and requires a chemical reaction between iron (in metallic form), water and air oxygen.

Is it all about chemistry? Does introductory chemistry books explain this? What do you mean by "No, iron fish doesn't help?" To help what? To iron deficiancy?

Thank you.
 
Yes, it is all about chemistry, yes, any introductory textbook should give you enough info, yes, iron fish doesn't help with iron deficiency.
 
Yes, I saw the wiki article, but after skimming it I was under impression the only reputable source cited (The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition) doesn't confirm it works - which I took to mean "at best the jury is still out".
 
Total cereal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_(breakfast_cereal)) uses elemental iron to meet the RDA criterion for dietary iron. Iron microparticles are pressed into the wheat flakes and are oxidized/dissolved in the acidic environment of the stomach, at which point the iron becomes bioavailable. I remember an old experiment in high school, soaking Total in water and using a magnet to collect the iron particles.
 

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