Understanding the Poynting Theorem

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Poynting theorem, specifically the equation ∇⋅S = -∂u/∂t - J⋅E, and whether it should be considered in a linear medium. Participants explore how to rewrite terms involving magnetic and electric fields in a linear medium, leading to expressions for energy densities u_E and u_B. The second question addresses whether ∇⋅S represents the net energy flux at a point and the significance of the negative sign in the term -J⋅E, which indicates the work done by the field on charges. The conversation also touches on the implications of energy conservation and the role of permeability in these equations. Understanding these concepts is crucial for applying Maxwell's equations to derive related equations.
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Homework Statement
Derive related equation using maxwell equations and describe each term.
Relevant Equations
Poynting Theorem.
Hello, I have two questions. First, when deriving ##\nabla \cdot \mathbf{S} = -\frac{\partial u}{\partial t} - \mathbf{J} \cdot \mathbf{E} ##, should we consider a linear medium? When we subtract ##\mathbf{E} \cdot (\nabla \times \mathbf{H})## from ## \mathbf{H} \cdot (\nabla \times \mathbf{E})##, we get ##-\mathbf{H} \cdot \frac{\partial \mathbf{B}}{\partial t} - \mathbf{E} \cdot \frac{\partial \mathbf{D}}{\partial t} - \mathbf{J} \cdot \mathbf{E}##. Knowing that ##\frac{d}{dt} (\mathbf{H} \cdot \mathbf{B}) = \frac{d}{dt} \mathbf{H} \cdot \mathbf{B} + \mathbf{H} \cdot \frac{d}{dt} \mathbf{B}##, for a linear medium with ##\mathbf B=\mathbf {\mu} \mathbf H## we can rewrite ## \mathbf{H} \cdot \frac{\partial \mathbf{B}}{\partial t}## as ##\frac{1}{2} \frac{d}{dt} (\mathbf{H} \cdot \mathbf{B})## or ##\frac{d}{dt} u_B ## because for a linear medium we can say that ##\frac{d}{dt} \mathbf{H} \cdot \mathbf{B}=\mathbf{H} \cdot \frac{d}{dt} \mathbf{B}##.

Applying the same process for the ##\mathbf E## part, we can derive the ##\frac{d}{dt} \mathbf{u_E}## term. Then we write ##\mathbf u=\mathbf{u_E} + \mathbf{u_B}##.
Is my understanding correct?

Second question: Is ##\nabla \cdot \mathbf{S}## the net energy flux passing a point? What does the term ##- \mathbf{J} \cdot \mathbf{E}## represent? I know that ##\mathbf{J} \cdot \mathbf{E}## is the work done by the field to move charges, but what does the negative sign indicate?
 
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MatinSAR said:
Homework Statement: Derive related equation using maxwell equations and describe each term.
Relevant Equations: Poynting Theorem.

Second question: Is ∇⋅S the net energy flux passing a point? What does the term −J⋅E represent? I know that J⋅E is the work done by the field to move charges, but what does the negative sign indicate?
Divergence is generation of energy. The sum of the three equals zero means energy conservation.
 
anuttarasammyak said:
Divergence is generation of energy.
Like when we have an emf in the region?
 
Yes, decrease of u generates S to go.
 
anuttarasammyak said:
Yes, decrease of u generates S to go.
Thank you for your help.
 
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MatinSAR said:
Homework Statement: Derive related equation using maxwell equations and describe each term.
Relevant Equations: Poynting Theorem.

Hello, I have two questions. First, when deriving ∇⋅S=−∂u∂t−J⋅E, should we consider a linear medium?
Permeability is defined by ratio of B and H. It is not always constant but can be complex function of multi-variables as ferro magnetism shows. Here its zero time derivative ,i.e. constant as for time, is used.
 
I want to find the solution to the integral ##\theta = \int_0^{\theta}\frac{du}{\sqrt{(c-u^2 +2u^3)}}## I can see that ##\frac{d^2u}{d\theta^2} = A +Bu+Cu^2## is a Weierstrass elliptic function, which can be generated from ##\Large(\normalsize\frac{du}{d\theta}\Large)\normalsize^2 = c-u^2 +2u^3## (A = 0, B=-1, C=3) So does this make my integral an elliptic integral? I haven't been able to find a table of integrals anywhere which contains an integral of this form so I'm a bit stuck. TerryW

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