Understanding the Role of Degrees of Freedom in 1-Dimensional Random Walks

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The discussion revolves around understanding the role of degrees of freedom in 1-dimensional random walks, particularly focusing on the significance of the term "n-1" in the context of particle movement and the implications of equations related to random walks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Vera questions the origin of the "n-1" term in the context of random walks and its relation to degrees of freedom.
  • One participant explains that the position after n steps is dependent on the position after (n-1) steps, suggesting a sequential nature of the random walk.
  • Another participant points out that the notation used could be confusing, implying that clearer notation might help in understanding the concepts discussed.
  • Vera expresses a realization about the reasonableness of the "n-1" term after further consideration, indicating a shift in understanding.
  • A later post raises a question about the treatment of delta in equations, specifically regarding the subtraction of terms and its implications on the outcome of the random walk analysis.
  • The participant questions whether their understanding of the mathematical manipulation of the equations is correct, indicating uncertainty about the reasoning behind the operations performed on the equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the significance of the "n-1" term and the manipulation of equations. There is no consensus on the implications of these terms, and some participants remain uncertain about the mathematical reasoning involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of terms and the mathematical steps involved in the equations presented. The discussion reflects a need for clarification on notation and the implications of averaging in the context of random walks.

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Hello!
I'm struggling with a probably easy physics question concerning random walks. Here I have the slide regarding this:
Delta is the distance that a particle moves.
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Can someone explain where the n-1 initially comes from? Does it have to do wtih the concept of the degrees of freedom?
Than you already! Regards, Vera
 
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Not sure if I understand the question. So your first equation states that after ##n## steps the particle is at the position it was after the previous step (which is the ##(n-1)##th step) plus some ##\delta##. If you put in ##n=1## you get that the position after the first step is the initial position plus some ##\delta##: ##x_1(1) - x_i(0) \pm \delta##. Every next step a new ##\delta## is added, so of course the position after ##n## steps depends on the position after ##(n-1)## steps. Why do you think this has to do anything with degrees of freedom?
 
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After ##n-1## steps, particle i is at position ##x_i(n-1)##.
One step after that, at step ##n##, particle i has moved by ##\pm \delta##: therefore ##x_i(n)=x_i(n-1)\pm \delta##.
 
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The notations ##x_n^{(i)}## and ##<x_n^{(i)} | 1≤i≤N >## might have been less confusing. Or more.
 
Oh okay, thank you. After some thinking ad not giving that much emphasis of on this n-1 (which so muchly looks like the n-1 from the df concept) I finally realized what both of you mean ;) I was really confused about why suddenly this n-1 would appear. But its probably quite reasonable. oO Thanks a lot!
 
@fresh42: More (for I have no clue what the vertical bar means AND SO ON) ;)
 
Another question:
Equation 1.) is followed by equation 2.). In equation 2.) the delta is treated separately as encircled in red colour. Is this just a process of pulling the expression after the sigma sign in equ. 1 apart?
But then, why is the second expression (in the circle) SUBTRACTED from the first part of equ. 2.)? I know it doesn't really matter as delta is 0... but just assume that the encircled expression without the minus in the beginning would equal a positive number. Then the outcome would be different compared to when the expression was negative. I know there's a mistake in thinking but I I just can figure out what's behind this. ^^

1.)
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2.)
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Just how I'd approach this: The first part of equ. 2.) is the average of all preceding steps (n-1) and the second part is the average of all distances after one step. Then, if I subtract all deltas and assume their average was negative (which just means this whole particle is moving in the opposite direction compared to a positive delta) this would result in a position (x) actually in the opposite direction of the negative delta average for it is subtracted from the first average...

Is that right or complete bullsh**? ;) Thanks!
 

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