Can someone retrace this easy random walk calculation?

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The discussion revolves around a random walk calculation, focusing on specific expressions and their interpretations within the context of the random walk model. Participants explore the implications of certain terms in the equations and seek clarification on the mathematical reasoning behind them.

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  • Vera questions the presence of a minus sign in an expression and seeks to understand its visual representation.
  • Some participants suggest that the sign may not matter as the average of the terms could equal zero, indicating a potential ambiguity in interpretation.
  • Vera later clarifies her understanding of the second question, noting that the author substituted a value for δ, leading to a specific outcome in the random walk context.
  • Another participant explains that the expression for the average position can be simplified and relates it back to earlier steps in the calculation.
  • There is a discussion about the meaning of x(0) and its relation to the values subtracted from n, with some participants affirming that (n-1)-1 simplifies to n-2.
  • One participant suggests that the ensemble average of an empty sum results in zero, adding another layer to the interpretation of x(0).

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Participants express varying interpretations of the mathematical expressions, particularly regarding the sign and the implications of certain terms. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the minus sign, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding its significance.

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Some assumptions about the random walk model and the definitions of terms like δ and x(n) are not fully explored, leading to potential gaps in understanding. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with the mathematical concepts involved.

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SansaStark
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Okay, it's not easy for me but probably for you ;)

Hello first of all!

I have two questions:
1. Why is there a minus before the expression in the red circle?
2. How did the x((n-1)-1) in the last line come to be?
More precise: I understand the first parts. It's the random walk and x signifies the position of a particle after n steps. Then (n-1) ist the position of the particle having moved to either the left or right side (this is 1-dimensional) and the δ is the distance the particle has travelled. But why is there a minus in the third line before the second 1/N? I mean how do I imagine that visually? I kind of have a notion but I can't really grasp it. And then in the last line why is the [x(n-1)] the same as [x((n-1)-1)]? Huh? oO

Okay, here is the equation:

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Thanks a lot already!

Vera
 
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Okay I've looked up the answer to the first question in a book and there it says plus before the term encircled. So maybe it's not minus? Or might be that both are right? Ummm... anyone in the mood for some random walk? ;)
 
Ahh... now I get the second question also! HAHA...

So if anyone should care:

In the second equation the author simply plugged in a 1 for the δ meaning that the particles (or the particle) are at zero after 1 step (actually have averaged out each other)! I reckon...

Would be cool if some math guru would leave a comment o my math monologue ;)
 
The way I interpret what they do:
SansaStark said:
1. Why is there a minus before the expression in the red circle?
Don't think it matters, as on average ##\displaystyle \sum_{i=1}^n \pm \delta = 0##
SansaStark said:
2. How did the x((n-1)-1) in the last line come to be?
In the last line, they get ##\displaystyle \langle x(n) \rangle=\frac{1}{N}\sum_{i=1}^n x_i(n-1)##, but that is equal to ##\langle x(n-1) \rangle## (see the first formula). And then they repeat the same process down to ##\langle x(0) \rangle=0##.
 
Okay, I guess I got number one where the minus is simply based on the knowledge of +/- δ being zero thus having no further meaning.

And to the second problem: So does x(0) actually mean n is equal to the value which is substracted from n?
And does (n-1)-1 simply mean n-2?

Thanks!
 
SansaStark said:
Okay, I guess I got number one where the minus is simply based on the knowledge of +/- δ being zero thus having no further meaning.

And to the second problem: So does x(0) actually mean n is equal to the value which is substracted from n?
And does (n-1)-1 simply mean n-2?

Thanks!
I think the ##x(0)## should have been ##\langle x(0) \rangle##.
And yes, ##(n-1)-1=n-2##. They wrote it that way to emphasize that they are repeating the previous step.
In the last line, they first get ##\langle x(n) \rangle=\langle x(n-1) \rangle##. As this hold for any ##n##, it can be applied to ##n-1##, yielding ##\langle x(n-1) \rangle=\langle x((n-1)-1) \rangle=\langle x(n-2) \rangle## and so on ...
 
Oh I guess I have it now. Thanks lot!
 
Probably <x(0)> = x(0) = 0 is also true. The ensemble average on nothing (empty sum) results in nothing.
 
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