Understanding the Translational Operator and Its Applications

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The discussion centers on the translational operator represented by the expression e^{\alpha\frac{d}{dx}} and its implications in the context of Taylor series expansions and function translations. Participants explore the mathematical foundations and interpretations of this operator, particularly in relation to infinitesimal translations and the behavior of derivatives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the series expansion of the translational operator and claims it translates a function f(x) to f(x + α).
  • Another participant suggests that this relates to Taylor expansion and proposes considering α as an infinitesimal translation.
  • A participant raises a concern regarding the interpretation of the derivative, questioning whether it should be evaluated at a fixed point x or at a variable point.
  • Some participants argue that in the context of the Taylor series, x is treated as a constant while α is the variable.
  • There are repeated assertions about the nature of the operator and its generic application to translate function values.
  • One participant seeks clarification on how to derive the expression involving derivatives at a specific point x₀ from the operator's expansion.
  • Another participant corrects a previous statement regarding the notation of derivatives in the context of the operator's expansion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the derivative in relation to the translational operator. There is no consensus on the correct approach to evaluating the operator or the implications of the derivative's fixed point.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence on definitions of fixed points and the treatment of variables in the context of Taylor series, which may lead to confusion in the application of the translational operator.

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e^{\alpha\frac{d}{dx}}=1+\alpha\frac{d}{dx}+\frac{\alpha^2}{2!}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+...=\sum^{\infty}_{n=0}\frac{\alpha^n}{n!}\frac{d^n}{dx^n}
Why this is translational operator?
##e^{\alpha\frac{d}{dx}}f(x)=f(x+\alpha)##
 
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taylor expansion? :wink:
 
Consider alpha to be an infinitesimal translation. Expand f(x+\alpha ) for small \alpha to first order.

Do the same for the LHS of the equation and you should see that the equality is true for infinitesimal translations. We say that the operator \frac{d}{dx} (technically \frac{d}{idx}) is the 'generator' of the translation.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch by TT!
 
I have a problem with that. So
f(x+\alpha)=f(x)+\alpha f'(x)+...
My problem is that we have ##\frac{df}{dx}## and that isn't value in some fixed point ##x##. This is the value in some fixed point ##(\frac{df}{dx})_{x_0}##.
 
matematikuvol said:
I have a problem with that. So
f(x+\alpha)=f(x)+\alpha f'(x)+...
My problem is that we have ##\frac{df}{dx}## and that isn't value in some fixed point ##x##. This is the value in some fixed point ##(\frac{df}{dx})_{x_0}##.

I am not sure about your question. But that translation operator is a generic operator, which translate a function value at x to x+a.
 
In Taylor series x is fixed, while in ##\frac{df}{dx}## ##x## isn't fixed. Well you suppose that is.
 
matematikuvol said:
I have a problem with that. So
f(x+\alpha)=f(x)+\alpha f'(x)+...
My problem is that we have ##\frac{df}{dx}## and that isn't value in some fixed point ##x##. This is the value in some fixed point ##(\frac{df}{dx})_{x_0}##.

yes, but x here is a constant, and only α is the variable

if you prefer, write f(xo + α) = f(xo) + α∂f/∂x|xo + … :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
yes, but x here is a constant, and only α is the variable

if you prefer, write f(xo + α) = f(xo) + α∂f/∂x|xo + … :wink:

Ok but that is equal to
\sum^{\infty}_{n=0}\frac{\alpha^n}{n!}(\frac{df}{dx})_{x_0}
and how to expand now
e^{\alpha\frac{d}{dx}}
 
no, it's \sum^{\infty}_{n=0}\frac{\alpha^n}{n!}\left(\frac{d^nf}{dx^n}\right)_{x_0} :wink:
 
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I made a mistake. But I'm asking when you get that ##(\frac{d^n}{dx^n})_{x_0}##? Please answer my question if you know. In
e^{\alpha\frac{d}{dx}}=1+\alpha\frac{d}{dx}+\frac{\alpha^2}{2!}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+...
you never have ##x_0##.
 
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\left(e^{\alpha\frac{d}{dx}}(f(x))\right)_{x_o}
= \left(\left(1+\alpha\frac{d}{dx}+\frac{\alpha^2}{2!}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+...\right)(f(x))\right)_{x_o}
= \sum^{\infty}_{n=0}\frac{\alpha^n}{n!}\left(\frac{d^nf}{dx^n}\right)_{x_0}
 

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