Understanding Vector Quotient Spaces in Linear Algebra

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of vector quotient spaces in linear algebra, specifically focusing on the quotient of a vector space by a linear subspace. Participants explore the implications of this operation using the example of $\mathbb{R}^{2}$ and the x-axis as the subspace.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the cosets of the x-axis in $\mathbb{R}^{2}$ relate to lines parallel to the x-axis.
  • Another participant suggests that the equivalence class can be represented as points a distance r from the x-axis, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the geometric interpretation.
  • A question is raised about the nature of elements in the x-axis, with a participant asserting that they are vectors, which leads to a discussion about the identification of points and vectors.
  • One participant reflects on their understanding of vector addition, noting difficulty in visualizing how adding vectors on the x-axis results in parallel lines.
  • Another participant clarifies that adding a vector to the x-axis results in a set of endpoints that indeed forms a line.
  • A later reply indicates a realization of the concept after further discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concept of vector quotient spaces, with some confusion remaining about the geometric interpretation of cosets and their relation to lines. The discussion does not reach a consensus, as differing viewpoints on vector addition and representation persist.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the participants' assumptions about the nature of vectors and points, as well as the geometric interpretation of vector addition in the context of quotient spaces.

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I'm having a bit of trouble seeing Vector Quotient Spaces.
Lets say I have a vector space $V$ and I want to quotient out by a linear subspace $N$. Then $V/N$ is the set of all equivalence classes $[N + v]$ where $v \in V$.

For example, let me try to take $\mathbb{R}^{2} /$ x-axis. This should be the set of all equivalence classes $[x-axis + r]$ where $r \in \mathbb{R}^{2}$.

Here is where the difficulty arises I believe. I am told that this set is the class of lines parallel to the x-axis, but I can't see how any coset $x-axis + r$ could yield a line parallel to the x-axis - or maybe my conception of vector space cosets are wrong.
 
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If you have a class that is the set of points a distance r away from the x-axis, you can rewrite it as y=r.

Try graphing it and see for yourself (pick an r, say, r=1)
 
I can't see how any coset $x-axis + r$ could yield a line parallel to the x-axis
What points lie in $x-axis + r$?
 
But if you add a vector to the x-axis, how can that be a line parallel to the x-axis. More importantly, what is an element of the x-axis? Is it just a point?
 
More importantly, what is an element of the x-axis?
Since the x-axis is a vector space... a vector!

(Of course, sometimes we identify the notions of "point" and "vector" with each other)
 
Then i think my conception of adding vectors is incorrect. If i think of vectors as directed line segments, i can't think of a way to add vectors on the x-axis to other vectors to get something parallel.
 
You're not. What you're doing, is adding a vector to the x-axis, and the set of ends of those directed line segments forms a line.
 
oh oh oh i see now. thanks
 
and the line comes from the vector definition of line.
 

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