Understanding Velocity Transformation

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around the confusion regarding the application of velocity transformation in a problem involving two spaceships. An Earth observer measures their combined speed as 1.5c, while one ship's pilot measures the other at 0.7c, leading to inconsistencies in the calculations. Participants point out that if one ship measures the other at 0.7c, the combined speed in the Earth frame should be less than 1.4c, suggesting an error in the problem statement. The calculations indicate that the speeds cannot yield a measurement lower than 0.96c, contradicting the provided values. Overall, the problem as stated appears to be flawed and requires clarification.
Zeeshan Ahmad
Gold Member
Messages
24
Reaction score
9
Homework Statement
If earth observer sees 1.5c speed
Ship observer see 0.7c
Compute their speeds for earth observer
The complete statement of the question is in the Relevant equation section

I would like have to solution this problem
Relevant Equations
Two spaceships approach each other with 1.5 c (Galilean addition of velocities), according to an observer on earth. The speed of one of these spaceships measured by other's pilot is 0.75 c. Compute their speeds for the observer on earth.
I have used velocity transformation ibut a little confused on it so do solve the problem
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Zeeshan Ahmad said:
Homework Statement:: If Earth observer sees 1.5c speed
Ship observer see 0.7c
Compute their speeds for Earth observer
The complete statement of the question is in the Relevant equation section

I would like have to solution this problem
Relevant Equations:: Two spaceships approach each other with 1.5 c (Galilean addition of velocities), according to an observer on earth. The speed of one of these spaceships measured by other's pilot is 0.75 c. Compute their speeds for the observer on earth.

I have used velocity transformation ibut a little confused on it so do solve the problem
As per forum rules, please post your working so far.
The problem statement belongs in the "homework statement " section. "Relevant equations" is for standard equations relevant to the topic, such as relativistic velocity addition.
 
  • Like
Likes Orodruin
This the solution i have done so far
16482792061047674684060299919269.jpg
 
Zeeshan Ahmad said:
Relevant Equations:: Two spaceships approach each other with 1.5 c (Galilean addition of velocities), according to an observer on earth. The speed of one of these spaceships measured by other's pilot is 0.75 c. Compute their speeds for the observer on earth.
Are you sure about those numbers?
 
Zeeshan Ahmad said:
This the solution i have done so far
View attachment 298947
This doesn't look like a solution to the problem as stated.
 
Zeeshan Ahmad said:
This the solution i have done so far
View attachment 298947
Please define all your variables. Otherwise it may be impossible to pinpoint the error.
 
PeroK said:
Are you sure about those numbers?
Its 0.7c and 1.5 c in statement typing mistake
 
Zeeshan Ahmad said:
Its 0.7c and 1.5 c in statement typing mistake
I don't see how those numbers can work out. If one ship measures the speed of the other as ##0.7c##, then the combined speed of approach in the Earth frame must be less than ##1.4c##.

The question looks wrong to me.
 
  • Like
Likes jbriggs444
Here's my analysis. We know that the combined speed of approach is ##1.5c##. If the rockets have speeds ##v_1## and ##v_2## in the Earth frame, then ##v_1 + v_2 = 1.5c##.

First, we could have ##v_1 = v_2 = 0.75c##. This gives the speed of either rocket measured by the other rocket as ##0.96c##, which is what you have calculated. Or, in fact, you assumed ##0.7c## and ##0.8c##, which gives a similar answer.

As we increase the speed ##v_1##, the measured speed increases. Eventually, if ##v_1 \approx c## and ##v_2 \approx 0.5c##, then the measured speed is approximately ##c##.

It can never be less than ##0.96c##, let alone ##0.75c##.

That's why the problem cannot be as stated.
 
Back
Top