Understanding Velocity Transformation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of velocity transformation in the context of two spaceships approaching each other, with conflicting speed measurements reported by different observers. The problem involves relativistic velocity addition and the implications of speeds exceeding the speed of light.

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  • Participants explore the validity of the given speed measurements and question the assumptions underlying the problem statement. Some suggest that the combined speed of approach should not exceed the speed of light, leading to confusion about the initial conditions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants analyzing the implications of the stated speeds and questioning the accuracy of the problem setup. Some have provided insights into the relationships between the speeds as perceived by different observers, while others have pointed out potential inconsistencies in the problem's parameters.

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There are indications of a possible typographical error in the speed values provided, which has led to further questioning and analysis of the problem's validity. Participants are encouraged to clarify their variables and assumptions to facilitate a more productive discussion.

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Homework Statement
If earth observer sees 1.5c speed
Ship observer see 0.7c
Compute their speeds for earth observer
The complete statement of the question is in the Relevant equation section

I would like have to solution this problem
Relevant Equations
Two spaceships approach each other with 1.5 c (Galilean addition of velocities), according to an observer on earth. The speed of one of these spaceships measured by other's pilot is 0.75 c. Compute their speeds for the observer on earth.
I have used velocity transformation ibut a little confused on it so do solve the problem
 
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Zeeshan Ahmad said:
Homework Statement:: If Earth observer sees 1.5c speed
Ship observer see 0.7c
Compute their speeds for Earth observer
The complete statement of the question is in the Relevant equation section

I would like have to solution this problem
Relevant Equations:: Two spaceships approach each other with 1.5 c (Galilean addition of velocities), according to an observer on earth. The speed of one of these spaceships measured by other's pilot is 0.75 c. Compute their speeds for the observer on earth.

I have used velocity transformation ibut a little confused on it so do solve the problem
As per forum rules, please post your working so far.
The problem statement belongs in the "homework statement " section. "Relevant equations" is for standard equations relevant to the topic, such as relativistic velocity addition.
 
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This the solution i have done so far
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Zeeshan Ahmad said:
Relevant Equations:: Two spaceships approach each other with 1.5 c (Galilean addition of velocities), according to an observer on earth. The speed of one of these spaceships measured by other's pilot is 0.75 c. Compute their speeds for the observer on earth.
Are you sure about those numbers?
 
Zeeshan Ahmad said:
This the solution i have done so far
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This doesn't look like a solution to the problem as stated.
 
Zeeshan Ahmad said:
This the solution i have done so far
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Please define all your variables. Otherwise it may be impossible to pinpoint the error.
 
PeroK said:
Are you sure about those numbers?
Its 0.7c and 1.5 c in statement typing mistake
 
Zeeshan Ahmad said:
Its 0.7c and 1.5 c in statement typing mistake
I don't see how those numbers can work out. If one ship measures the speed of the other as ##0.7c##, then the combined speed of approach in the Earth frame must be less than ##1.4c##.

The question looks wrong to me.
 
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Here's my analysis. We know that the combined speed of approach is ##1.5c##. If the rockets have speeds ##v_1## and ##v_2## in the Earth frame, then ##v_1 + v_2 = 1.5c##.

First, we could have ##v_1 = v_2 = 0.75c##. This gives the speed of either rocket measured by the other rocket as ##0.96c##, which is what you have calculated. Or, in fact, you assumed ##0.7c## and ##0.8c##, which gives a similar answer.

As we increase the speed ##v_1##, the measured speed increases. Eventually, if ##v_1 \approx c## and ##v_2 \approx 0.5c##, then the measured speed is approximately ##c##.

It can never be less than ##0.96c##, let alone ##0.75c##.

That's why the problem cannot be as stated.
 

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