What is the velocity of observer O' in the Lorentz Transformation problem?

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The problem involves the Lorentz transformation and the concept of simultaneity in special relativity. The original poster presents a scenario where two light flashes occur at different positions and times according to observer O, and seeks to determine the velocity of observer O' such that the flashes appear simultaneous in O's frame.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants discuss the implications of simultaneity and the relationship between time and position differences. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the concept and attempts to apply the Lorentz transformation equations. There are questions about the conditions under which two events can be simultaneous in different frames.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints regarding the condition for simultaneity, while others reflect on their understanding of the concepts involved. There is acknowledgment of initial misunderstandings, and the discussion appears to be exploring the implications of the equations without reaching a consensus on the solution.

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Participants note that they have not covered advanced topics related to spacelike-separated events and express uncertainty about their current level of understanding in special relativity. There is mention of a more advanced course that some participants have not taken.

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Homework Statement


According to observer ##O##, a blue flash occurs at ##x_b =10.4m## when ##t_b =0.124 μs##, and a red flash occurs at ##x_r =23.6m## when ##t_r =0.138 μs##. According to observer ##O'##, who is in motion relative to ##O## at velocity ##u##, the two flashes appear to be simultaneous. Find the velocity ##u##.

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I didnt understand the concept of simultaneity I think.
The difference in position will be , ##Δx=13.2m## and the difference in time ##Δt=0.014μs##

Now I tried to use the lorentz transformation.
##Δx'=γ(Δx-uΔt)##
##Δt'=γ(Δt-uΔx/c^2)##

To find ##u## I guess ll need some relationship between ##Δx'## and ##Δt'##. I am kind of stuck.

I just solved a problem where if I had given the ##u## and ##Δx##, ##Δt##. I can find the ##Δx'## and ##Δt'## by just using the lorentz transformation but here something simple bugs me, that I can't see right now.
 
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Hint: That two events are simultaneous in a given frame means that the time difference between them is zero in that frame.
 
Orodruin said:
Hint: That two events are simultaneous in a given frame means that the time difference between them is zero in that frame.
So ##Δt'=0## ? I tried that but it gives me ##u=Δtc^2/Δx## which is larger then ##c## ?

Wait its not I guess...Okay thanks lol my stupid mistakes...
 
Please show your actual numerical results.
 
My mistake sorry for that. Its not larger then ##c##. I thought that its at first, so I started to think some other stuff to find the solution..
 
Arman777 said:
So ##Δt'=0## ? I tried that but it gives me ##u=Δtc^2/Δx## which is larger then ##c## ?

Wait its not I guess...Okay thanks lol my stupid mistakes...

You can check from this equation the constraint on the events in one frame to make it possible for them to be simultaneous in another frame:

##|u| < c \ \Leftrightarrow \ |\Delta x| > c |\Delta t|##

Which is the definition of spacelike-separated events.
 
PeroK said:
You can check from this equation the constraint on the events in one frame to make it possible for them to be simultaneous in another frame:

##|u| < c \ \Leftrightarrow \ |\Delta x| > c |\Delta t|##

Which is the definition of spacelike-separated events.
We didnt learn those stuff actually. And Idk that's because its advenced or something else. We are learning just basics. Once I asked a question about the doppler affect and Orodruin replied but I couldn't understand a thing.

We didnt learn anything about these stuff. But there's a open course about special relativity but again its kind of advanced so I didnt take it.
 
Arman777 said:
We didnt learn those stuff actually. And Idk that's because its advenced or something else. We are learning just basics. Once I asked a question about the doppler affect and Orodruin replied but I couldn't understand a thing.

We didnt learn anything about these stuff. But there's a open course about special relativity but again its kind of advanced so I didnt take it.

Well, you've learned it now!
 
PeroK said:
Well, you've learned it now!
Well i guess :)
 

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