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Drakkith
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Maui said:For obvious reasons, your 'model' can not make a correct prediction and this is kind of important in physics
But you haven't even seen all the nifty graphs I made!
Maui said:For obvious reasons, your 'model' can not make a correct prediction and this is kind of important in physics
Drakkith said:The concept of the field is just a way to predict and explain how our universe works. It's possible I could come up with a way to explain all observable effects using invisible fairies. How would you know which theory is right? The fairies, or the fields?
You don't. You can't. It isn't possible if both explain observations equally well.
So no, you don't know if fields exist or not. You can't know. It isn't possible.
Nothing is 100% proven. Nothing is irrefutable. Ever. Remember that.
Naty1 said:no where man...
a good portion of your post #32 is incorrect and strays from the OP's question.
If you'd like to discuss all those issues, try a separate post.
No-where-man said:Like I said, all I'm saying that you can't have nothing, there is always something some energy.
Well, you can't say nothing is ever proven, energy is proven for example.
Earth's electromagnetic field does exist, and it is 100% proven, for example.
Gravity is 100% proven as well.
Drakkith said:As far as we know. This is not guaranteed.
Is it? What exactly do you mean by "energy is proven"?
Again, what do you mean by saying it is 100% proven? All we know is that our measuring instruments act in certain ways that we attribute to something we call an electromagnetic field. What if in the future a new theory comes about that completely does away the concept of the traditional EM field? You can't claim that it's 100% proven if that happens.
Statements such as "X is 100% proven" mean very little. If you mean that it is 100% proven that something appears to hold us to the Earth and cause matter to attract all other matter, then sure. But that's not science. That's just observing that something's going on without trying to figure out how it works. The explanation, which is what we are talking about when we talk about science, is never 100% proven. And that's what a field is. It's a way of explaining and figuring out how our universe works. We believe it exists because we have no better way of explaining our observations.
No-where-man said:Yes, it is. Because nothing means nothing, fro example; what is your debt nothing-nothing in this case means non-existence of your debt, meaning in general nothing is non-existence, you can't create something that exists from something that does not exist-this is the basic rule.
So, if there is no such EM field around the Earth, it means radiation will kill we like it or not, the fact this field protects us, Aurora borealis and Aurora australis prove this.
Fair enough, but you call it gravity and gravitational field and its effects here on Earth are real.
If at least one part of the hypothesis or theory works (and it's scientifically proven every single moment/time) in reality exactly in the way reality works, than there is nothing else to prove, than this part of hypothesis or theory is 100% proven.
That's what I'm trying to say, and I think that's a fair statement.
Cheers.