Understanding Voltage at the Microscopic Level: How Does It Really Work?

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The discussion centers around the concept of voltage at the microscopic level, particularly in relation to its role in electrical circuits, such as those involving batteries, wires, and bulbs. Participants explore the nature of voltage, electron motion, and the underlying mechanisms in batteries and circuits.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a deeper understanding of voltage beyond common analogies, questioning how it relates to electron motion and energy at the atomic level.
  • Another participant explains that batteries run out of energy due to chemical reactions that change the compounds within them, suggesting that rechargeable batteries can reverse these reactions.
  • It is noted that there is no current in an open circuit because electrons have no path to flow, although a brief current may occur as potentials equalize.
  • A participant discusses the dual nature of an 8V battery, stating it provides both electrons and the energy differential necessary to move them.
  • One participant compares voltage to a source of potential energy for charges, likening it to gravity for mass, and describes how chemical reactions in batteries create mobile charges that respond to voltage.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that voltage is an arbitrary name for the likelihood of movement from one point to another, emphasizing the non-tangible nature of electricity and the slow transfer of electrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations of voltage and its implications in circuits, indicating that multiple competing views remain. There is no consensus on a singular explanation or model of voltage at the microscopic level.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on the limitations of analogies used to explain voltage and the complexities involved in understanding electron behavior and chemical reactions in batteries. The relationship between voltage, current, and resistance is also noted as a nuanced topic requiring further exploration.

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Hey,

I'm posting this because I couldn't find one single tutorial that could really answer my questions...

My question is, what is voltage, and how does it really work at microscopic level (atoms, electrons, etc)?

I'm not looking for answers like "it is what pushes the electrons!", the water's analogy, etc, but the electrons motion, kinetic energy, ions, etc.

I would like, if possible, to be given an explanation regarding a simple circuit composed by a battery, two wires and a bulb.

Common voltage-related questions I've got are...

- Why does the battery run out of energy? Because the negative terminal runs out of electrons?

- Why isn't there current in an open circuit?

- "An 8V battery provides 8 joules/coulomb"... does it really provide? or does it provide a force that will give each coulomb an 8 joule potential energy?

- etc...


With answers like "it is what pushes the electrons!", it's impossible to understand the nature of things.


PS: I'm sorry for my english. I hope you can understand it.
 
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unseensoul said:
Common voltage-related questions I've got are...

- Why does the battery run out of energy? Because the negative terminal runs out of electrons?
Batteries are composed of two chemical compounds, separated so that they can not exchange electrons. When a circuit is connected to the battery electrons are exchanged and the original compounds are changed to different compounds. When most of the original compounds are converted then the battery is dead. Some chemical reactions are reversible, hence rechargeable batteries.

unseensoul said:
- Why isn't there current in an open circuit?
There is no place for the electrons to flow.
You might keep in mind that if you change an open circuit there may be current flow for a short time as potentials equalize.
This topic needs some understanding of capacitance.

unseensoul said:
- "An 8V battery provides 8 joules/coulomb"... does it really provide? or does it provide a force that will give each coulomb an 8 joule potential energy?
Both. The chemical reaction in the battery supplies the electrons and the energy differential to move them.

Hope that helps some.
 
Voltage is a source of potential energy for charges, like gravity is a source of potential energy for mass.

Batteries create mobile charges through chemical reactions (wet cells and dry cells), and these charges move, creating current, in response to voltage. In a battery, the chemical potential energy of the reaction is converted into electrical potential, and when the excess chemical potential goes to zero, the chemicals in the battery are in equilibrium and the reaction stops.

It's tempting and generally valid to think of current, voltage, resistance, inductance in analogy to fluids. A great book to read along these lines is "There are no electrons", by Kenn Amdahl.
 
Voltage is more or less a name assigned to how likely something will move from A==>B, just like work, force, etc. Since it's pretty arbitrary, you're free to come up with all sorts of formalisms which will work if they're dimensionally correct and likewise, will be correct experimentally because you've decided so (assuming perfect conditions). And electrons don't exactly flow but they do get transferred, pretty damn slowly (at least if you want your battery to last long). The 'electricity' propagates very fast but it's not a tangible object per se, just as the "ball currently changing its momentum" in say, Newton's cradle is also not tangible. In Newton's cradle, individual balls may or may not move much if at all, but you can obviously see the effects. Voltage is the name assigned to the energy each electron transfers (well, a coloumb anyway) to another. So no, it's not tangible, but neither are phonons - we still work with them.
 

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