Understanding Volume from Speaker: Physics Perspective

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The discussion revolves around the physics of sound production from speakers, specifically focusing on how various factors influence the loudness of sound generated by a speaker driver oscillating at a frequency of 500 Hz. Participants explore the mechanics of sound wave generation, the role of cone movement, and the implications of speaker design on sound pressure levels.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the loudness of sound is related to how far the driver moves when generating sound waves.
  • Another participant outlines several factors affecting speaker output, including efficiency, BL product, moving mass, cone area, Qts, resonance frequency, and losses in the speaker's components.
  • It is noted that increased cone movement correlates with increased loudness, but excessive movement can lead to harmonic distortion and a suppression of the intended frequency.
  • Some participants agree that the amplitude of the driver’s oscillation and the size of the cone are critical factors in determining loudness.
  • One participant emphasizes that the pressure amplitude of sound waves is a conventional measure of loudness, which is related to the velocity amplitude of the speaker cone.
  • There is a suggestion that increasing the size of the cone or its amplitude of oscillation can enhance loudness, but complexities arise when considering the overall speaker design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between cone movement and loudness, but there are nuances regarding the effects of harmonic distortion and the complexities of speaker design. Multiple views on the factors influencing loudness remain present, indicating that the discussion is not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various technical factors and conditions that influence sound production, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the interplay of these factors and their specific contributions to loudness.

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Now I have an absolutely horrible question for someone with their MS in physics to be asking. Let's say you want to setup a 500hz tone out of a speaker. To do this, the driver in the speaker oscillates at 500hz. The thing I am wondering is what exactly causes something to be louder? Is it how far out the driver goes when it's generating the sound wave?

I can't believe I've never learned this
 
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Pengwuino said:
Now I have an absolutely horrible question for someone with their MS in physics to be asking. Let's say you want to setup a 500hz tone out of a speaker. To do this, the driver in the speaker oscillates at 500hz. The thing I am wondering is what exactly causes something to be louder? Is it how far out the driver goes when it's generating the sound wave?

I can't believe I've never learned this

The speaker drivers output depends on following factors:
Efficiency:
BL product
Moving mass incl. air
Cone area
Qts
Resonance frequency
Losses in spider and surround roll.

At 100% efficiency the SPL is 112dB at 1W input. This is however measured at 1m distance under given conditions.

The more the cone moves, the louder it sounds. This also means that the more power input you feed, the louder it sounds.

Speakers are mechanical devices with their weak points. At high power inputs the cone excursion will cause the voice coil to travel out of the magnetic field. This will generate harmonic distortion. Much of the 500Hz input will therfor produce a range of harmonics from the speaker itself and supress the 500Hz tone. Instead you get 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500 etc Hz from the speaker as well. There are more factors that cause harmonic distortion, like increasing heat, cone material, over all assambly. The magnetsystem and the coil alignment is one important reason.

It is also possible to use the back side of the cone to increase SPL. By making an enclosure with a short port, the port can be tuned to 500Hz as well.

To give you a general answer to your question: Yes

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Pengwuino said:
Is it how far out the driver goes when it's generating the sound wave?

Yep.

When the driver goes out more (of course with the same frequency) the air is displaced more.
A sound wave is a wave of dense air.
Making the driver go out more means the air becomes more dense and it holds more energy.
 
The usual way to measure the amplitude of a sound wave (which is not quite the same as the subjective measure of "loudness", but let's ignore that detail) is by the pressure ampltude of the wave.

Sound waves in the "normal" range of human hearing, and not loud enough to cause rapid hearing damage, can be considered to be linear adabatic waves in an ideal gas, to a good approximation. It follows that for a sinusoidal wave, the pressure amplitude is proportional to the velocity amplitude.

The boundary conditions at the interface between the speaker cone and the air mean the normal velocities of the cone and the air are equal.

And assuming the speaker cone in performing simple harmonic motion, at a fixed frequency the maximum cone velocity is proprtional to the maximum displacement.

Or to summarize all that, "yes".
 
Ignoring all of the factors involved in actually making the cone move, there are only two ways to make the sound louder (at the actual cone level). You could increase the cone's amplitude of oscillation, or you could increase the size of the cone. Increasing the size will increase the loudness for a given displacement, and increasing the displacement will increase the loudness for a given cone size.
 
cjl said:
Ignoring all of the factors involved in actually making the cone move, there are only two ways to make the sound louder (at the actual cone level). You could increase the cone's amplitude of oscillation, or you could increase the size of the cone.

Indeed. Of course at the level of the "speaker" (as opposed to the "driver" cone) it gets a little more complicated.
 

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