Understanding Wedge Products in General Relativity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the wedge product in the context of general relativity, specifically as presented in Sean Carroll's text. Participants explore the definitions, properties, and applications of the wedge product of one-forms, including its implications in Minkowski spacetime with spherical coordinates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the notation and implications of the wedge product definition, particularly the antisymmetry indicated by the square brackets in the expression for the wedge product of two one-forms.
  • Another participant clarifies that the antisymmetrization convention can vary, mentioning that the definition of antisymmetrization can include a factor of 1/n! for multiple indices.
  • A follow-up inquiry is made regarding the meaning of the wedge product of basis one-forms, specifically dθ and dφ, and how to apply the definition of the wedge product to these forms.
  • One participant explains that dθ ∧ dφ is a two-form and describes its action on pairs of vectors, providing a determinant-based interpretation of the wedge product.
  • A later reply presents a matrix representation of the resulting two-form in the context of Minkowski spacetime with spherical coordinates, illustrating the components of the two-form.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the notation and implications of the wedge product. While some clarify aspects of the definition and application, others still seek further insight, indicating that the discussion remains partially unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the basis in which the one-forms are expressed, as well as the specific context of Minkowski spacetime with spherical coordinates, which may affect the interpretation of the wedge product.

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I am studying general relativity from Sean Carroll's text and I have a simple question about the wedge product. According to the text, the wedge product of two one-forms (dual vectors) is

(A \wedge B)_{\mu\nu} = 2A_{[\mu}B_{\nu]} = A_\mu B_\nu - A_\nu B_\mu

I understand the why the first two expressions are equal given the definition of the wedge product. I also understand that the square brackets in the third second expression denotes antisymmetry and that the two indices can be exchanged at the cost of a minus sign. However, the third expression seems to imply that the antisymmetry of the two indices (perhaps because they belong to two different quantities) really means the expansion given in the third expression. Can anyone clear up what I'm sure is a simple misunderstanding of notation?

Followup question: what is the meaning of, for example in Minkowski spacetime with spherical spatial coordinates, d\theta \wedge d\phi? I know that each of these is a (basis) one-form but I'm not sure how exactly to apply the wedge product to them.
 
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ABν] is defined as (1/2)(AμBν - AνBμ)

For n indices, A[abc...d] = (1/n!)(Aabc...d + ... ).

This is just a matter of convention. If we define antisymmterization without the 1/n! factor, then we also change the definition of the wedge product to make it all work out the same.
 
Yes, I see that now. Thanks dx! Anyone have any insight as to the meaning of d\theta \wedge d\phi? I guess my confusion is what are the "components" of these basis dual vectors to which to apply the definition of the wedge product?
 
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In what basis? The components of dφ in the (dθ, dφ) basis are (0, 1).
 
d\theta \wedge d\phi is a two-form, which means it is a map T_xM \times T_xM \rightarrow {\mathbb R}, whose action on a pair of vectors u, v is like follows:

(d\theta \wedge d\phi)(u, v) = \det \left| \begin{array}{cc} d\theta(u) & d\phi(u) \\ d\theta(v) & d\phi(v) \end{array} \right| = d\theta(u) \; d\phi(v) - d\theta(v) \; d\phi(u)

That is the meaning of a wedge product.
 
Yes, I think I see now. The components, in matrix form, of the resulting two-form would then be

<br /> (d\theta \wedge d\phi)_{\mu\nu} = \left[\begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; -1 &amp; 0<br /> \end{array}\right]<br />

in the dx^\mu \otimes dx^\nu basis in Minkowski spacetime with spherical spatial coordinates.
 

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