Understanding why we multiply log(P/Po) by 10

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The discussion centers on the mathematical conversion of power ratios into decibels (dB) using the formula dB = 10 * log10(P/P0). Participants clarify that the logarithmic unit "Bel" is often too large for practical use, necessitating the multiplication by 10 to convert to decibels, which are more manageable. The conversion process is explained through dimensional analysis, demonstrating that 10 dB equals 1 Bel, thus justifying the multiplication. The discussion emphasizes that while using Bels is possible, decibels are preferred for signal ratio calculations.

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Hi i want to ask sth for the db
We have denoted db as log10(P/Po)
I want to ask sth if a^x=theta=>x=log(a)theta
then the db is 10*a^x=10*log(a)theta Is that right?
I want to know why we multiply the log(P/Po) by 10? Why we didnt leave it alone?
 
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dervast said:
Hi i want to ask sth for the db
We have denoted db as log10(P/Po)
I want to ask sth if a^x=theta=>x=log(a)theta
then the db is 10*a^x=10*log(a)theta Is that right?
I want to know why we multiply the log(P/Po) by 10? Why we didnt leave it alone?
Because log\frac{P}{P_0}, called Bel is too large a unit to be useful. So we use the deciBel, that is more manageable.
 
If bel is too large to be manageable then why we multiplt by 10?
 
Dervast, it is the same thing as microfarads vs farads. Most of the time we deal in signal ratios that make it more suitable to use decibels instead of bels. Same thing with farads and microfarads. However, if you choose NOT to multiply by 10 and work with bels it is up to you. It will work just fine.
 
dervast said:
If bel is too large to be manageable then why we multiplt by 10?
I think you are looking for an analytical reason.
Try applying dimensional analysis.
log (Pout/Pin) = y (Bel) equ (i)
how to convert to dB? Since a dB is 1/10 of a Bel, then 10db = 1 Bel
To convert equat (i) to db, multiply both sides by (10db/1Bel)
10 log (Pout/Pin) = y (Bel)(10db/1Bel) <------dimensions Bel/Bel = 1 leaving just db
10 log (Pout/Pin) = 10y (db) (ii)
right side of equation (ii) means we multiply the solution y in Bels by 10 to obtain a value in dB.
 
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